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    This pieces is one sides, it contains some half truth and some lies however most of it it true. Tivoli is indeed the mother of all Garrisons but we can murder its citizens like cattle.


    The Tivoli 5
    published: Sunday | January 20, 2008


    Edward Seaga, Contributor
    The new Commissioner of Police, Rear Admiral Hardley Lewin, has made his mark. "Tivoli is the mother of all garrisons," he proclaimed, when he was wearing another hat as Chief of Staff of the Jamaica Defence Force. Now that he is Police Commissioner, the first act of his new regime is to attempt to prove his statement correct.

    This "mother of all garrisons", by the way, has had the least incidence of gun crimes over the recent past compared, to other downtown inner city communities.

    Certain elements in the security forces have a terrorist disposition which, on several occasions, has been demonstrated in planned action by them, not in unplanned improvised situations. The assault on Tivoli Gardens on May 7 - 8, 1997, in search of guns, was to impress the public politically that the community was a dangerous place. This brought political gains to the governing party, as intended. But, in the three-day assault, by 200 members of the security forces, led by the JDF and accompanied by the police:
    not one gunman was found;
    not one gun was found;
    not one round of ammunition was found;
    not one spent shell was found;
    but a six-year old boy and three middle-aged women were killed by soldiers, leaving 17 motherless children.

    One of the dead women, who was crossing from one side of her bed to the other, had most of her skull ripped off by a soldier's bullet fired from the top of a high rise building across the road. Another, who went to buy salt in the Tivoli Gardens square was returning home when she was shot by soldiers positioned at the Tivoli Gardens High School some 100 yards away. As her son went to her rescue, he, too, was shot at by the same soldiers. Tony Abrahams and I came under gunfire from that same area, two mornings later, as I showed him around. The bullet holes on the wall behind us remain as testimony. The third woman was walking back to her apartment when she, too, was shot by soldiers stationed upstairs a building in the Coronation Market, 150 yards away, in line of sight. The little boy was jumping up in his bed joyfully on the upper floor of his home with his little friends when his skull was ripped open.

    None of these incidents was in keeping with the terms of engagement printed on a small card for required reference and guidance of members of the Jamaica Defence Force. Yet, no report was ever issued on action taken by the military authorities to deal with the few soldiers stationed, at the time, at the specific locations from which the shots were fired.

    Terrorist attack
    On July 7-10, 2001, another attack was staged, led this time by Senior Superintendent Reneto Adams and a detachment of hand-picked policemen, with soldiers added later, totalling 200. They were in search of guns at 4 o'clock Saturday morning, July 7. According to Adams, they found one small revolver "buried at the Golden Age Home" in Denham Town, which denied that any police team had entered the premises. As unlikely as this may have been, what transpired after was that the other hand-picked police detachments, waiting in the wings at the Hannah Town Police Station, surged into the area with a barrage of shots, which they said was in reply to gunfire at 4 a.m. This was in Denham Town not Tivoli Gardens. Adams and his men then positioned themselves against a wall on Spanish Town Road where they said they were under attack. Yet, not one bullet hole was found on the wall behind them. I repeat, not one, and the wall remains the same today, as then, for all to see.

    Next, they went to the same two- storey, white building in Coronation Market from which deadly fire had killed one of the women in 1997. Some two thousand rounds of ammunition were discharged from that position, including those by Adams who hung his weapon outside the sand- bagged portal of the two-storey building and fired aimlessly, as seen on television. Strangely, there were three bullet holes to be seen on the huge white wall of the building which Adams said was the target of gunmen.

    On the other hand, several dozen bullet holes were seen on the walls of the building opposite the location where Adams was stationed representing shots fired by the security forces at buildings on the edge of the Tivoli community.

    The result was 25 dead persons, shot by the security forces including:
    a handcart man;
    a market vendor;
    a security guard on his way to work;
    a 16-year-old school boy;
    a 19-year-old girl who had lost her infant child two days before;
    four men of unsound mind;
    two 80-year-old men, one a pauper;
    a farmer married four months earlier, died at his gate in the arms of his hysterical wife, who was nine months pregnant. The baby died from complications.
    Some of the dead had to remain rotting on the streets for four days, providing meals for dogs as any attempt to remove them was met by gunfire from the security forces.

    The latest such attack occurred Sunday, January 13, in Tivoli Gardens, again, where police say that they went in search of a notorious wanted man from Montego Bay, hiding in the area. The team of police and soldiers did not find the wanted man. But they saw five boys/men running into a house as the security forces approached with gunfire. The house was occupied by an old woman, a young girl and a baby, all of whom were downstairs. The boys/men took refuge in a room upstairs where they huddled. The security team that entered the room had other ways to deal with the situation: call on the boys/men to come out with their hands in the air and if they did not respond, flush them out with tear gas, at which point they could be apprehended. But that option was not taken.

    Responsibility
    The Constabulary Force Act gives the police the power to operate without any direction from the Minister, and rightfully so. But, with every right there is a corresponding responsibility. Accordingly, the responsibility to account for what occurred lies with the Commissioner who must now answer the following questions to the public and not remain silent in grim satisfaction of a "job well done".
    1. Were any of the boys/men who were killed, wanted men?
    2. Were any of them previously on a charge of committing a "gun" offence?
    3. Were any of them ever convicted on a "gun" charge?
    4. Did the operation by the soldiers under his charge in this operation follow the directives of the Terms of Engagement issued for members of the Jamaica Defence Force?
    5. Does the police force have any corresponding directive for operations similar to these terms of engagement? If so, what requirements are laid down for such operations and were they followed? If not, will such procedures be established by the police force?
    6. What is the record of Tivoli Gardens in gun crimes compared to other inner-city communities in Kingston in recent years?

    Expressed bias
    The security forces have a right to go where they want and they have been active in Tivoli on dozens of occasions without any problems. But, the new Commissioner, notwithstanding his expressed bias against Tivoli Gardens, has a duty to see that operations carried out by the security forces under the authority of the police are not like the occurrences of 1997 and 2001, or other such events elsewhere in Jamaica, using the same terror tactics against poor and innocent people.

    The primary mission of the security team in Tivoli on that Sunday was to capture a notorious multiple killer. I am sorry that they did not succeed, but the failure of their primary mission does not given them the right to pursue a secondary mission.

    In the absence of acceptable answers to the public on the questions above, the conclusion could be drawn that there exists in the Jamaica Constabulary Force killer police who are irretrievably steeped in the deadly practice of state terrorism.

    Edward Seaga is a former Prime Minister. He is now a Distinguished Fellow at the UWI. Email: odf@uwimona.edu.jm
    Last edited by Karl; January 20, 2008, 02:49 PM.
    The same type of thinking that created a problem cannot be used to solve the problem.

  • #2
    Then tell we the half truth and lies nuh?
    "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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    • #3
      The new Commissioner of Police, Rear Admiral Hardley Lewin, has made his mark. "Tivoli is the mother of all garrisons," he proclaimed, when he was wearing another hat as Chief of Staff of the Jamaica Defence Force. Now that he is Police Commissioner, the first act of his new regime is to attempt to prove his statement correct.

      .... Not true. The MP and councillor would help him to prove his statement correct. The said MP now PM took him to task for saying it and must have approve this lastest operation otherwise the police and soldiers would not have carried it out.

      This "mother of all garrisons", by the way, has had the least incidence of gun crimes over the recent past compared, to other downtown inner city communities.

      True ... but why?

      Certain elements in the security forces have a terrorist disposition which, on several occasions, has been demonstrated in planned action by them,
      not in unplanned improvised situations.

      ... half truth. Certain elements are terrosists and the terrorize in both plan and unplanned operations.

      The assault on Tivoli Gardens on May 7 - 8, 1997, in search of guns, was to impress the public politically that the community was a dangerous place. This brought political gains to the governing party, as intended.

      .... Probably true.

      But, in the three-day assault, by 200 members of the security forces, led by the JDF and accompanied by the police:
      not one gunman was found; ------- NOT TRUE
      not one gun was found;
      not one round of ammunition was found;
      not one spent shell was found; ------

      .... Men were found and their hands tested positive for gun power residue but that is not a crime. I wonder why the security forces firing from cover four hours instead of strolling in?

      but a six-year old boy and three middle-aged women were killed by soldiers, leaving 17 motherless children.
      One of the dead women, who was crossing from one side of her bed to the other, had most of her skull ripped off by a soldier's bullet fired from the top of a high rise building across the road. Another, who went to buy salt in the Tivoli Gardens square was returning home when she was shot by soldiers positioned at the Tivoli Gardens High School some 100 yards away. As her son went to her rescue, he, too, was shot at by the same soldiers. Tony Abrahams and I came under gunfire from that same area, two mornings later, as I showed him around. The bullet holes on the wall behind us remain as testimony. The third woman was walking back to her apartment when she, too, was shot by soldiers stationed upstairs a building in the Coronation Market, 150 yards away, in line of sight. The little boy was jumping up in his bed joyfully on the upper floor of his home with his little friends when his skull was ripped open.

      .... Probably all true.

      None of these incidents was in keeping with the terms of engagement printed on a small card for required reference and guidance of members of the Jamaica Defence Force. Yet, no report was ever issued on action taken by the military authorities to deal with the few soldiers stationed, at the time, at the specific locations from which the shots were fired.

      .... True


      Terrorist attack
      On July 7-10, 2001, another attack was staged, led this time by Senior Superintendent Reneto Adams and a detachment of hand-picked policemen, with soldiers added later, totalling 200. They were in search of guns at 4 o'clock Saturday morning, July 7. According to Adams, they found one small revolver "buried at the Golden Age Home" in Denham Town, which denied that any police team had entered the premises. As unlikely as this may have been, what transpired after was that the other hand-picked police detachments, waiting in the wings at the Hannah Town Police Station, surged into the area with a barrage of shots, which they said was in reply to gunfire at 4 a.m. This was in Denham Town not Tivoli Gardens. Adams and his men then positioned themselves against a wall on Spanish Town Road where they said they were under attack. Yet, not one bullet hole was found on the wall behind them. I repeat, not one, and the wall remains the same today, as then, for all to see.

      ... No comments.

      Next, they went to the same two- storey, white building in Coronation Market from which deadly fire had killed one of the women in 1997. Some two thousand rounds of ammunition were discharged from that position, including those by Adams who hung his weapon outside the sand- bagged portal of the two-storey building and fired aimlessly, as seen on television.

      .... True I have that video.


      Strangely, there were three bullet holes to be seen on the huge white wall of the building which Adams said was the target of gunmen. On the other hand, several dozen bullet holes were seen on the walls of the building opposite the location where Adams was stationed representing shots fired by the security forces at buildings on the edge of the Tivoli community.

      .... Well three bullets holes is not zero bullet holes, so gunmen were firing at adams.


      The result was 25 dead persons, shot by the security forces including:
      a handcart man;
      a market vendor;
      a security guard on his way to work;
      a 16-year-old school boy;
      a 19-year-old girl who had lost her infant child two days before;
      four men of unsound mind;
      two 80-year-old men, one a pauper;
      a farmer married four months earlier, died at his gate in the arms of his hysterical wife, who was nine months pregnant. The baby died from complications.
      Some of the dead had to remain rotting on the streets for four days, providing meals for dogs as any attempt to remove them was met by gunfire from the security forces.

      .... This was murder.

      The latest such attack occurred Sunday, January 13, in Tivoli Gardens, again, where police say that they went in search of a notorious wanted man from Montego Bay, hiding in the area. The team of police and soldiers did not find the wanted man. But they saw five boys/men running into a house as the security forces approached with gunfire. The house was occupied by an old woman, a young girl and a baby, all of whom were downstairs. The boys/men took refuge in a room upstairs where they huddled. The security team that entered the room had other ways to deal with the situation: call on the boys/men to come out with their hands in the air and if they did not respond, flush them out with tear gas, at which point they could be apprehended. But that option was not taken.

      ... Half truth. The boys/men in a shootout with police.


      Responsibility
      The Constabulary Force Act gives the police the power to operate without any direction from the Minister, and rightfully so. But, with every right there is a corresponding responsibility. Accordingly, the responsibility to account for what occurred lies with the Commissioner who must now answer the following questions to the public and not remain silent in grim satisfaction of a "job well done".
      1. Were any of the boys/men who were killed, wanted men?
      No
      2. Were any of them previously on a charge of committing a "gun" offence?
      No
      3. Were any of them ever convicted on a "gun" charge?
      No
      4. Did the operation by the soldiers under his charge in this operation follow the directives of the Terms of Engagement issued for members of the Jamaica Defence Force?

      No

      5. Does the police force have any corresponding directive for operations similar to these terms of engagement? If so, what requirements are laid down for such operations and were they followed? If not, will such procedures be established by the police force?

      Yes, but they dont have the training and the will to do oit.

      6. What is the record of Tivoli Gardens in gun crimes compared to other inner-city communities in Kingston in recent years?


      ... The Tivoli State Police do not keep records.


      Expressed bias
      The security forces have a right to go where they want and they have been active in Tivoli on dozens of occasions without any problems. But, the new Commissioner, notwithstanding his expressed bias against Tivoli Gardens, has a duty to see that operations carried out by the security forces under the authority of the police are not like the occurrences of 1997 and 2001, or other such events elsewhere in Jamaica, using the same terror tactics against poor and innocent people.
      The primary mission of the security team in Tivoli on that Sunday was to capture a notorious multiple killer. I am sorry that they did not succeed, but the failure of their primary mission does not given them the right to pursue a secondary mission.
      In the absence of acceptable answers to the public on the questions above, the conclusion could be drawn that there exists in the Jamaica Constabulary Force killer police who are irretrievably steeped in the deadly practice of state terrorism. Edward Seaga is a former Prime Minister. He is now a Distinguished Fellow at the UWI. Email: odf@uwimona.edu.jm
      The same type of thinking that created a problem cannot be used to solve the problem.

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      • #4
        Seaga was being just plain disingenuous with that article. I have one single question for him right now - how does Tivoli maintain their low crime rate?

        There are numerous more and I am happy that time dealt with them. Fact is the article is filled with lies and half-truths.


        BLACK LIVES MATTER

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        • #5
          see why change is good?

          We need more a the old tribalist them fi go inna retirement.
          • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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          • #6
            I guess we may need to change a few contributors to our newspapers too. That would be be good also!


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            • #7
              No people need to express their opinion.
              Seaga contribute good opinions sometimes like all the others.
              The difference is he is not in any position of power politically.
              • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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              • #8
                He needs to stop the lies about Tivoli, that's what he needs to do!


                BLACK LIVES MATTER

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
                  He needs to stop the lies about Tivoli, that's what he needs to do!
                  Strange .. the head of the Far. Institute just made mention of the article ... why him not complaining bout Seaga lying? Unless unuh gonna tell mi the Far. Institute have no credibility.
                  "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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                  • #10
                    well he need to but you have so many others who are in the very same position he is in and worst of all them nah help the police.

                    If you continue to say something for a while it has become a part of you and Seaga is not the only guilty one. One difference is that he is now OUT and others remain in position of power.
                    • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                    • #11
                      Perhaps they want to perpetuate the lies and half-truths?!? I don't know.

                      Things may have gone wrong on that operation, but when people like Seaga can come write an article that suggests that Tivoli is not loaded with guns, then I know he is not serious and just trying to trick a public is ignorant of the facts.


                      BLACK LIVES MATTER

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                      • #12
                        he actually didn't say that there are no guns...what he said was that they didn't find any.....

                        Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                        • #13
                          Exactly! He is being very disingenuous! Such a statement is at best a half-truth because whether the security forces find them or not the fact is Tivoli is filled with them! He knows that, Gamma!

                          And I don't believe in 2001 the security forces had the opportunity to search for anything because of the days long stand off. What do you think would have happened to many guns in the meantime in Tivoli?


                          BLACK LIVES MATTER

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                          • #14
                            Mo are you supporting the 2001 attack?
                            27 people killed including women and children?
                            • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Assasin View Post
                              Mo are you supporting the 2001 attack?
                              27 people killed including women and children?
                              You know the entire story was not told? It was not merely that people were killed but...you do know evidence of criminal activity was found in Tivoli by the security forces!
                              "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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