Is there any truth that once you

[Lazie]

apply for an American passport, the applicant has sworn allegiance? I've downloaded the forms and all I see on the form is to sign that the information provided is true.

Maybe Professor David Rowe should face charges for perjury.

[Scaly Spurs]

apply for an American passport, the applicant has sworn allegiance? I've downloaded the forms and all I see on the form is to sign that the information provided is true.

Maybe Professor David Rowe should face charges for perjury.

You swore allegiance at your citizenship swearing already so that's assumed, the passport is just a formality and identification at that point.

You applying fi one ? I have to do mine too, me me know how long dem tek.

[Lazie]

You swore allegiance at your citizenship swearing already so that's assumed, the passport is just a formality and identification at that point.

You applying fi one ? I have to do mine too, me me know how long dem tek.

Our situation is different. I read a report about the dual citizenship case. The defendant insisted that he got his citizenship via his mother, the complainant is insisting that once he renewed his passport he swore allegiance on the form.

Since mi like fi know the facts, I downloaded both forms and there is nothing there swearing allegiance.

Mi have mine already.

[Gamma]

i think the point is that if vaz got it as a boy under 18 he cannot swear allegiance and thereafter if it is simply a matter of renewing the passport that issue might not arise.....

that would seem to be the argument to make, would i buy it ... probably not. the bottom line is that he is and remains a citizen of another country...the swear allegiance thing is bulky and ungainly and makes for convoluted arguments.

if you are a citizen of another country that should be enough.

[Scaly Spurs]

Our situation is different. I read a report about the dual citizenship case. The defendant insisted that he got his citizenship via his mother, the complainant is insisting that once he renewed his passport he swore allegiance on the form.

Since mi like fi know the facts, I downloaded both forms and there is nothing there swearing allegiance.

Mi have mine already.

If he became a citizen through naturalization then at the swearing in ceremony he would have sworn allegiance there so the passport application is a mere formality.

To get a passport u have to be a us citizen and to become a us citizen u MUST swear allegiance.

[Mosiah]

It seems to make sense to me. The simple act of applying for a passport means a pledge of allegiance. How could it mean anything less?

[Lazie]

i think the point is that if vaz got it as a boy under 18 he cannot swear allegiance and thereafter if it is simply a matter of renewing the passport that issue might not arise.....

that would seem to be the argument to make, would i buy it ... probably not. the bottom line is that he is and remains a citizen of another country...the swear allegiance thing is bulky and ungainly and makes for convoluted arguments.

if you are a citizen of another country that should be enough.

Well, I heard a radio announcer reading the constituion that addresses this issue ... and it says something about obtaining citizenship via one's volition. If that is in the constitution, then Vaz may have a case, right? Irrespective of how people feel about him being an American citizen.

[Mosiah]

What is your opinion? Should a citizen of another country be allowed to run for an MP position? On his own volition or not.

[Lazie]

It seems to make sense to me. The simple act of applying for a passport means a pledge of allegiance. How could it mean anything less?

I was of that impression too .... however, after download both forms, all the applicant is signing to is that the info provided is true. If anything, Vaz's action should cause him to lose his citizenship.

... and before I'm accused of being biased ... http://travel.state.gov/law/citizens...nship_778.html

taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration to a foreign state or its political subdivisions (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);

accepting employment with a foreign government if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) a declaration of allegiance is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);

Personally, I wish I could sit in on these court hearings to hear the arguments and questions being put forward.

[Lazie]

What is your opinion? Should a citizen of another country be allowed to run for an MP position? On his own volition or not.

What does the constitution say?

[Gamma]

that is the only argument to make in my opinion. i'm not sure that it is a logical position to take that applying for or renewing a passport would constitute swearing allegiance. there must be evidence of the swearing either on the application or at a swearing in ceremony. if he was under 18 he cannot swear.

i think it would be improper for there to be a "constructive" swearing in as it were. again, i do beleive that as a member of government he should not be be a citizen of another country.

[Mosiah]

I am asking your personal opinion. Do you think a US citizen should be a MP in Jamaica?

[Lazie]

I am asking your personal opinion. Do you think a US citizen should be a MP in Jamaica?

Our personal opinion is irrelevant ... what does the constitution say? If the constitution allows it our opinions not gonna change it.

[Mosiah]

PRC! Can you step away from the Gleaner, the politics and the courtroom and just ansa mi dat simple question?!?!? You can't have an opinion on anything? Or are your opinions strictly a reflection of what's on the books? How about capital punishment? Do you have to check to see what our laws say before you form your own opinion?!?!

Crise!!!!!!

[Lazie]

PRC! Can you step away from the Gleaner, the politics and the courtroom and just ansa mi dat simple question?!?!? You can't have an opinion on anything? Or are your opinions strictly a reflection of what's on the books? How about capital punishment? Do you have to check to see what our laws say before you form your own opinion?!?!

Crise!!!!!!

What is PRC? Mi first name starts with a "P" not certain what the RC stands for. RC Cola?

It has nothing to do with politics bossman. What the law says? Capital punishment is an entirely different issue.