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  • #16
    surely you can see the flaw in this argument... gamma i can recall the arguments by the then opposition against the proposed development of highway2000 by pj patterson... 'dem a talk bout highway and people want food, education, healtcare', not an exact quote but along those reasonings... i recall even pernell charles coming out against it... pj countered that it was the foundation for further infrastructure and economic development... and this idiot talking about vision... he doesn't have vision... he has the nerve... humility makes for a greater being...
    'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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    • #17
      this changing course argument is stale... the jlp would be idiots to revert from the positives that the pnp accomplished... the most honrable thing they could have done is to acknowledge the positives and commit to building on them, instead of attempting to diminish the positive contributions of the previous govt, while simultaneously continuing with the same projects they are undermining... humility builds credibility, character and strenght...
      'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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      • #18
        thanks karl... i recall pernell charles being one of the opposition against the project... ther are others who came out publicly against the project when pj went public with his vision...
        'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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        • #19
          agree wi yuh 100% mosiah... there were a few jlp who came out publicly against the vision of pj...
          'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Baddaz View Post
            this changing course argument is stale... the jlp would be idiots to revert from the positives that the pnp accomplished... the most honrable thing they could have done is to acknowledge the positives and commit to building on them, instead of attempting to diminish the positive contributions of the previous govt, while simultaneously continuing with the same projects they are undermining... humility builds credibility, character and strenght...
            Lighten up Baddaz, go back to the PM's closing remarks in the debates. Pity .. due to Portia's performance comrades may not want to go thru the torture.
            "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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            • #21
              You are right. They did not embrace the highway. Of course, it would be silly to stridently oppose it, because it makes every sense in the world. But again, the JLP did not embrace Highway 2000.


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              • #22
                Originally posted by Lazie View Post
                Well, provide some article that the JLP was completely against highway 2000 nuh? Or yuh gonna stick tuh yuh BULL SH IT as usual?
                ‘Memba mi told yuh!’

                Privy Council ruling vindicates Portmore toll decisions
                By Robert Pickersgill


                The combined grouping of associations which claimed that they represented the interest of the residents of the Portmore Municipality, has indeed had their day in court. The Privy Council delivered their ruling on December 3, 2007.

                The Privy Council ruling is definitive; it states that the construction of the Portmore Highway and the decision to charge a toll to meet the cost of financing this construction, have not affected the right to property of any individual in the communities of the Portmore Municipality.

                The Privy Council was clear that the only basis for any violation of the constitution would be so if the government had undertaken the compulsory acquisition of parcels of land owned by residents, and done so not guided by the laws of the country. There was no compulsory acquisition of property to build the Portmore Highway.

                I want it to be clear that the ruling says what I have always upheld, that a government formed by the People’s National Party (PNP) would never seek to violate any element of the constitution. The government of the People’s National Party would not seek to take away the rights of any group of citizens of this country. The founder’s of our movement were among the leading architects of the constitution of Jamaica.

                The People’s National Party government in response to the development needs of Jamaica, took a deliberate decision at the close of the 1990s, to pursue the construction of Highway 2000, of which the six-lane Portmore Causeway was a component. The government of the People’s National Party was clear that it was necessary to set the stage for further economic development and that our major infrastructure had to be either upgraded or, where necessary, new facilities had to be put in place. This was the vision which guided both the Highway 2000 and North Coast Highway projects.

                During the construction of the Portmore Causeway and after several community meetings, we went further and held briefing sessions with various representatives, to discuss the initiative. We responded to the clear and legitimate concerns raised by several residents. We moved to address the concerns raised, including the bottleneck created at the Marcus Garvey intersection, and the need for improved road surface on the Mandela Highway.

                We sought to give a listening ear and to guide the residents, advising that this was not a constitutional matter. I certainly had an open-door policy when I served as minister. It was unfortunate that a matter of development was politicised by the then opposition party. They aggressively campaigned and appealed to the residents of the Portmore Municipality to send a signal that they were against the toll road and, by extension, the PNP government. The opposition party fueled unrest and gave sustained support to individuals who felt this was a matter which could be settled in their favour, in the courts.

                Both the Constitutional Court and the Court of Appeal dismissed the appeals. Those who had brought the matter against the state were in fact advised that their case was devoid of merit to go further. The ruling by both courts then was that the Mandela Highway did in fact provide an appropriate alternate route. The judgment delivered by the Privy Council on December 3 upheld both these decision. The decision also rejected the attempt at an injunction to restrain the government from proceeding with the demolition of the Hunts Bay Bridge.

                I am aware that the residents were equally concerned about the ‘imposition’ of a toll and about the ‘level’ of the toll. On the second matter, the residents of Portmore and indeed all Jamaica, will recall the clear commitment of the Jamaica Labour Party, then the opposition, both in Parliament and on the campaign trail, to roll back the toll to J$30.
                We are now close to he end of their first 100 days in office. I anticipate that the residents of Portmore and its environs and in fact the entire traveling public that uses the Portmore Toll Road, are anticipating an announcement of reduced rates.

                Robert Pickersgill is a former Minister of Transport, Housing, Water and Works, and now Opposition Spokesman on Transport.
                "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                • #23
                  This is about the tolls. You and other jokers claim the JLP was against Highway 2000. Let me guess, this is another accusation where one fool lead many and its gospel?
                  "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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                  • #24
                    Point out where I said that the JLP was against Highway 2000. Time for you to hit the search button.


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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
                      Point out where I said that the JLP was against Highway 2000. Time for you to hit the search button.
                      This is too easy ... simply scroll up.
                      "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Karl View Post
                        The People’s National Party government in response to the development needs of Jamaica, took a deliberate decision at the close of the 1990s, to pursue the construction of Highway 2000, of which the six-lane Portmore Causeway was a component.

                        The government of the People’s National Party was clear that it was necessary to set the stage for further economic development and that our major infrastructure had to be either upgraded or, where necessary, new facilities had to be put in place.

                        We moved to address the concerns raised, including the bottleneck created at the Marcus Garvey intersection, and the need for improved road surface on the Mandela Highway.

                        It was unfortunate that a matter of development was politicised by the then opposition party. They aggressively campaigned and appealed to the residents of the Portmore Municipality to send a signal that they were against the toll road and, by extension, the PNP government. The opposition party fueled unrest and gave sustained support to individuals who felt this was a matter which could be settled in their favour, in the courts.

                        Robert Pickersgill is a former Minister of Transport, Housing, Water and Works, and now Opposition Spokesman on Transport.
                        you think lazie would dare comment on this... not when its clear as day in exposing the hypocrisy of the minister and the jlp govt... talking about vision, when the minister doesn't have any... its so easy to sing a song thats already been arranged and sung... the melodies are always so easy and soothing after someone else already invested the time and energy accomplishing the most challenging part, the arrangement... and so it is with the highway2000 project... hypocrites...
                        'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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                        • #27
                          mi scroll wheel not working.


                          BLACK LIVES MATTER

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
                            mi scroll wheel not working.
                            Well page up den!
                            "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Baddaz View Post
                              you think lazie would dare comment on this... not when its clear as day in exposing the hypocrisy of the minister and the jlp govt... talking about vision, when the minister doesn't have any... its so easy to sing a song thats already been arranged and sung... the melodies are always so easy and soothing after someone else already invested the time and energy accomplishing the most challenging part, the arrangement... and so it is with the highway2000 project... hypocrites...
                              Wait, the minister made a statement in an article posted yesterday, a that have you twisted in a bind?

                              Alrite Baddaz, only the PNP have ... wha yuh call it ... vision!
                              "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Baddaz View Post
                                you think lazie would dare comment on this... not when its clear as day in exposing the hypocrisy of the minister and the jlp govt... talking about vision, when the minister doesn't have any... its so easy to sing a song thats already been arranged and sung... the melodies are always so easy and soothing after someone else already invested the time and energy accomplishing the most challenging part, the arrangement... and so it is with the highway2000 project... hypocrites...
                                Hear yuh, sah!
                                "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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