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    ISLIP, N.Y. (AP) - GPS tracking devices installed on government-issue vehicles are helping communities around the country reduce waste and abuse, in part by catching employees shopping, working out at the gym or otherwise loafing while on the clock.


    The use of GPS has led to firings, stoking complaints from employees and unions that the devices are intrusive, Big Brother technology. But city officials say that monitoring employees' movements has deterred abuses, saving the taxpayers money in gasoline and lost productivity.


    "We can't have public resources being used on private activities. That's Management 101," Phil Nolan, supervisor of the Long Island town of Islip.
    Islip saved nearly 14,000 gallons of gas over a three-month period from the previous year after GPS devices were installed. Nolan said that shows that employees know they are being watched and are no longer using Islip's 614 official vehicles for personal business.


    Some administrators around the country emphasized that the primary purpose of the GPS devices is not to catch people goofing off but to improve the maintenance and operation of the vehicles and to design more efficient bus, snowplow and trash-pickup routes. Among other things, the devices can be used to alert mechanics that a car's engine is operating inefficiently.


    Still, in Indiana, six employees of the Fort Wayne-Allen County Health Department lost their jobs last year after an administrator bought three Global Positioning Satellite devices out of her own pocket and switched them in and out of 12 department vehicles to nail health inspectors running personal errands on the job.


    Employees were caught going to stores, gyms, restaurants, churches and their homes. (And the administrator was reimbursed the $750 she spent.)
    One of those who got in trouble, 27-year employee Elaine Pruitt, decried what she called "sneaky" methods. She said she had fallen ill and stopped at her home for a long lunch break, returning to work just 38 minutes late.
    Previously, "as long as we got our work done, there was never any problem. All of a sudden, it became wrong if you stopped at a grocery store for some gum," she said.


    In Boston two years ago, a snowplow driver was accused of hiding his GPS device in a snowbank and then going off to do some private plowing. The driver pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor larceny charge and was fined $300.
    In Denver, 76 vehicles equipped with GPS this year were driven 5,000 fewer miles than the unequipped fleet had during the same period the year before. Denver plans to outfit police cars, snowplows and trash trucks with GPS soon.


    "It's growing by leaps and bounds," said Chris Ransom of Networkcar, one of the country's leading providers of GPS systems. "I'd say we're seeing double-digit growth among the municipalities, whether it's statewide or down to the local county."


    In Delaware, GPS was used to confirm two employees using state vehicles were going home early, said Terry Barton Jr., fleet administrator for the state. He would not say what action, if any, was taken against the employees.


    "If they're in charge of the car and they decide to go visit their Aunt Mary, we'll know that they went someplace they weren't supposed to. It has a chilling effect," he said.


    Barton said Delaware paid $425 per unit for the GPS devices, as well as $24.99 a month per vehicle for tracking services. Information from each car is sent back to a central location, where things like fuel consumption and speed are recorded. He estimated the investment will be recouped in 3 1/2 years.


    "If we're getting fuel reduction, less accidents and have our people slowing down, it more than pays for itself," Barton said.
    The Teamsters are negotiating more contracts that protect workers from being spied on or punished as a result of the devices, union spokeswoman Leslie Miller said. She said the union's tentative contract with United Parcel Service prevents the company from firing any employee for a first offense uncovered by GPS unless there is proof of intent to defraud.


    Sean Thomas, chief of staff for the Manchester, N.H., mayor's office, said a plan to use GPS units on garbage trucks was scrapped after "some union push-back. "They said, 'You are watching us like Big Brother,'" Thomas said.
    GPS is helping improve efficiency in other ways.


    Houston officials say they have used GPS on garbage trucks to design more efficient trash-collection routes, reducing fuel costs and other expenses.
    This winter, the New Hampshire Transportation Department will begin testing GPS devices in some sand spreaders.


    "It's so when Mrs. Smith on Warren Street calls and says we haven't plowed her street, we can say, 'Yes, we have,'" said Phil Bilodeau, Concord, N.H., deputy director of general services. "It's not to check up on drivers, although they would say it is for that purpose."


    Boston's school system uses GPS devices on its buses - technology that proves useful when worried parents call because a bus is late.
    "It's hugely helpful for us to say, 'The bus is five blocks away,'" schools spokesman Jonathan Palumbo said.



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    Footnote: Too often a yard we see vehicles with Ja gov't plates at supermarkets and shopping malls, and it being used fi private benefit.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Hortical View Post

    ISLIP, N.Y. (AP) - GPS tracking devices installed on government-issue vehicles are helping communities around the country reduce waste and abuse, in part by catching employees shopping, working out at the gym or otherwise loafing while on the clock.


    The use of GPS has led to firings, stoking complaints from employees and unions that the devices are intrusive, Big Brother technology. But city officials say that monitoring employees' movements has deterred abuses, saving the taxpayers money in gasoline and lost productivity.


    "We can't have public resources being used on private activities. That's Management 101," Phil Nolan, supervisor of the Long Island town of Islip.
    Islip saved nearly 14,000 gallons of gas over a three-month period from the previous year after GPS devices were installed. Nolan said that shows that employees know they are being watched and are no longer using Islip's 614 official vehicles for personal business.


    Some administrators around the country emphasized that the primary purpose of the GPS devices is not to catch people goofing off but to improve the maintenance and operation of the vehicles and to design more efficient bus, snowplow and trash-pickup routes. Among other things, the devices can be used to alert mechanics that a car's engine is operating inefficiently.


    Still, in Indiana, six employees of the Fort Wayne-Allen County Health Department lost their jobs last year after an administrator bought three Global Positioning Satellite devices out of her own pocket and switched them in and out of 12 department vehicles to nail health inspectors running personal errands on the job.


    Employees were caught going to stores, gyms, restaurants, churches and their homes. (And the administrator was reimbursed the $750 she spent.)
    One of those who got in trouble, 27-year employee Elaine Pruitt, decried what she called "sneaky" methods. She said she had fallen ill and stopped at her home for a long lunch break, returning to work just 38 minutes late.
    Previously, "as long as we got our work done, there was never any problem. All of a sudden, it became wrong if you stopped at a grocery store for some gum," she said.


    In Boston two years ago, a snowplow driver was accused of hiding his GPS device in a snowbank and then going off to do some private plowing. The driver pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor larceny charge and was fined $300.
    In Denver, 76 vehicles equipped with GPS this year were driven 5,000 fewer miles than the unequipped fleet had during the same period the year before. Denver plans to outfit police cars, snowplows and trash trucks with GPS soon.


    "It's growing by leaps and bounds," said Chris Ransom of Networkcar, one of the country's leading providers of GPS systems. "I'd say we're seeing double-digit growth among the municipalities, whether it's statewide or down to the local county."


    In Delaware, GPS was used to confirm two employees using state vehicles were going home early, said Terry Barton Jr., fleet administrator for the state. He would not say what action, if any, was taken against the employees.


    "If they're in charge of the car and they decide to go visit their Aunt Mary, we'll know that they went someplace they weren't supposed to. It has a chilling effect," he said.


    Barton said Delaware paid $425 per unit for the GPS devices, as well as $24.99 a month per vehicle for tracking services. Information from each car is sent back to a central location, where things like fuel consumption and speed are recorded. He estimated the investment will be recouped in 3 1/2 years.


    "If we're getting fuel reduction, less accidents and have our people slowing down, it more than pays for itself," Barton said.
    The Teamsters are negotiating more contracts that protect workers from being spied on or punished as a result of the devices, union spokeswoman Leslie Miller said. She said the union's tentative contract with United Parcel Service prevents the company from firing any employee for a first offense uncovered by GPS unless there is proof of intent to defraud.


    Sean Thomas, chief of staff for the Manchester, N.H., mayor's office, said a plan to use GPS units on garbage trucks was scrapped after "some union push-back. "They said, 'You are watching us like Big Brother,'" Thomas said.
    GPS is helping improve efficiency in other ways.


    Houston officials say they have used GPS on garbage trucks to design more efficient trash-collection routes, reducing fuel costs and other expenses.
    This winter, the New Hampshire Transportation Department will begin testing GPS devices in some sand spreaders.


    "It's so when Mrs. Smith on Warren Street calls and says we haven't plowed her street, we can say, 'Yes, we have,'" said Phil Bilodeau, Concord, N.H., deputy director of general services. "It's not to check up on drivers, although they would say it is for that purpose."


    Boston's school system uses GPS devices on its buses - technology that proves useful when worried parents call because a bus is late.
    "It's hugely helpful for us to say, 'The bus is five blocks away,'" schools spokesman Jonathan Palumbo said.



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    Footnote: Too often a yard we see vehicles with Ja gov't plates at supermarkets and shopping malls, and it being used fi private benefit.
    Good move!
    You're right JA could use this!
    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Karl View Post
      Good move!
      You're right JA could use this!
      Lemme throw the spanner in the works!!!!!

      JAMAICA IS NOT GPS MAPPED!!!!

      I have seen people on the web asking for Jamaica digital road maps...they dont exist.

      Western Europe, North America, Austrailia, Sth Africa and Parts of East. Europe I am sure are mapped. Not sure about Japan.

      The 2 giants of mapping that supply almost all GPS manufacturers are NavteQ and TeleAtlas. Nokia just made a Huge bid for NavteQ, who are the sole supplier to Garmin (the market number 2). The global market leader is TomTom and they as well as Garmin are in a fight to acquire TeleAtlas (who supplies TomTom) and a host of others.

      Not sure how Jamaica would interest either to do the mapping, unless we can show huge pent up demand. Maybe we already have some kind of digital mapping that could easily be converted into either Nav. or TA format?

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      • #4
        Den yuh woulda hear bout GPS scandal.

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        • #5
          I know Mona Geoinformatics is selling a tracking device.

          GIS Analytical Services

          GIS consultancy.
          Advanced GIS design, implementation and analysis, including advanced spatial and geocomputational analysis and 3D and virtual reality GIS.
          Real-time GPS (for research).
          Internet mapping.
          Remote sensing.
          MonaGIS currently has one of the largest GIS databases in Jamaica, with detailed datasets on Kingston, Jamaica, the wider Caribbean, and the rest of the globe in multiple coordinate systems. This data can be used with specific client data and applications.

          MonaGIS can process GPS data and prepare this for GIS integration,including GPS unit calibration and realtime GPS-GIS operations. The incorporation of virtual-reality GIS technology enables us to provide digital recreations of sites. These 3D visualizations can also be exported as movies.

          MonaGIS can help develop organizations’ capacities to use GIS within their own fields of interest, adapting GIS methodologies for specific applications and specific budgets. MonaGIS also conducts specialized consultancies using GIS, ranging from environmental, crime, social and business studies..

          Last Year Status:

          Finally, another major project of the Ministry of the Land and Environment is the establishment of a comprehensive network of GPS stations across the island. This GPS/VRS Network will increase the use of geomatics in Jamaica by configuring high precision GPS base stations (three of thirteen are now operational). This project will provide real-time and post processed corrected positional data to mobile and traditional fixed GPS users (LICJ, 2006b).
          Last edited by Muadib; November 17, 2007, 08:34 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Maudib View Post
            I know Mona Geoinformatics is selling a tracking device.

            GIS Analytical Services

            GIS consultancy.
            Advanced GIS design, implementation and analysis, including advanced spatial and geocomputational analysis and 3D and virtual reality GIS.
            Real-time GPS (for research).
            Internet mapping.
            Remote sensing.
            MonaGIS currently has one of the largest GIS databases in Jamaica, with detailed datasets on Kingston, Jamaica, the wider Caribbean, and the rest of the globe in multiple coordinate systems. This data can be used with specific client data and applications.

            MonaGIS can process GPS data and prepare this for GIS integration,including GPS unit calibration and realtime GPS-GIS operations. The incorporation of virtual-reality GIS technology enables us to provide digital recreations of sites. These 3D visualizations can also be exported as movies.

            MonaGIS can help develop organizations’ capacities to use GIS within their own fields of interest, adapting GIS methodologies for specific applications and specific budgets. MonaGIS also conducts specialized consultancies using GIS, ranging from environmental, crime, social and business studies..

            Last Year Status:

            Finally, another major project of the Ministry of the Land and Environment is the establishment of a comprehensive network of GPS stations across the island. This GPS/VRS Network will increase the use of geomatics in Jamaica by configuring high precision GPS base stations (three of thirteen are now operational). This project will provide real-time and post processed corrected positional data to mobile and traditional fixed GPS users (LICJ, 2006b).
            This appears to be topographical data.

            Commercial GPS units are topo for hiking coordinate based for marine use and road network mapping for cars.

            This thread is about vehicles, so its the road mapping that is the bugbear.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Willi View Post
              Lemme throw the spanner in the works!!!!!

              JAMAICA IS NOT GPS MAPPED!!!!

              I have seen people on the web asking for Jamaica digital road maps...they dont exist.

              Western Europe, North America, Austrailia, Sth Africa and Parts of East. Europe I am sure are mapped. Not sure about Japan.

              The 2 giants of mapping that supply almost all GPS manufacturers are NavteQ and TeleAtlas. Nokia just made a Huge bid for NavteQ, who are the sole supplier to Garmin (the market number 2). The global market leader is TomTom and they as well as Garmin are in a fight to acquire TeleAtlas (who supplies TomTom) and a host of others.

              Not sure how Jamaica would interest either to do the mapping, unless we can show huge pent up demand. Maybe we already have some kind of digital mapping that could easily be converted into either Nav. or TA format?

              btw - I could be wrong...but, isn't TomTom and Garmin involved in some type of coorperative effort?

              If you are correct, how difficult would that be?
              Do it!
              Last edited by Karl; November 18, 2007, 03:03 PM.
              "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Karl View Post
                btw - I could be wrong...but, isn't TomTom and Garmin involved in some type of coorperative effort?

                If you correct, how difficult would that be?
                Do it!
                NO!!

                They are bitter enemies! TomTom is world leader, while Garmin is North American leader and world number 2. They are currently engaged in a mad scramble to buy TeleAtlas (TA)...the Euro mapping giant.

                TomTom used to use NavteQ as well for their MotorBike units, but stopped last year...they are now exclusively TA. Garmin is exclusively NavTeQ.

                Problem is NOKIA. The Finnish giant decided to own this space and so has made a huge bid for Navteq that cant be beaten. That put Garmin in a bind. They need a supplier AND they dont want to be gobbled up by Nokia (the obvious intention by Nokia). Thus for them to remain independent, they need TA. However, TomTom wont allow that. There you have it.

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                • #9
                  It is here already, several drivers at a certain newspaper lost their jobs as they were not aware it was installed when the vehicle went in for upgrade.

                  A certain other newspaper is too cheap to put it in...
                  Solidarity is not a matter of well wishing, but is sharing the very same fate whether in victory or in death.
                  Che Guevara.

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                  • #10
                    You are wrong, GPS tracking systems are here and several companies including media houses have put them in.
                    Solidarity is not a matter of well wishing, but is sharing the very same fate whether in victory or in death.
                    Che Guevara.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sickko View Post
                      It is here already, several drivers at a certain newspaper lost their jobs as they were not aware it was installed when the vehicle went in for upgrade.

                      A certain other newspaper is too cheap to put it in...
                      Which maps do they use????

                      If you use a commercial GPS, it has virtually every street in its maps and Navteq maps can even tell which side of the street a number is.

                      I would suspect that the units you speak of have topo maps and can generally tell when drivers leave Kingston, for example, but not which streets they travelled on.

                      Can you check it out and get back to me?

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                      • #12
                        The story I head was that the driver was on his way back from MoBay, stooped in Portmore and then Duhaney Park before going back to the office and the managers and those who administer the system could tell him where he had stopped.

                        I understand they system would cost about $35,000 per vehicle which is what US$500?
                        Solidarity is not a matter of well wishing, but is sharing the very same fate whether in victory or in death.
                        Che Guevara.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Willi View Post
                          NO!!

                          They are bitter enemies! TomTom is world leader, while Garmin is North American leader and world number 2. They are currently engaged in a mad scramble to buy TeleAtlas (TA)...the Euro mapping giant.

                          TomTom used to use NavteQ as well for their MotorBike units, but stopped last year...they are now exclusively TA. Garmin is exclusively NavTeQ.

                          Problem is NOKIA. The Finnish giant decided to own this space and so has made a huge bid for Navteq that cant be beaten. That put Garmin in a bind. They need a supplier AND they dont want to be gobbled up by Nokia (the obvious intention by Nokia). Thus for them to remain independent, they need TA. However, TomTom wont allow that. There you have it.
                          Thanks!
                          "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sickko View Post
                            The story I head was that the driver was on his way back from MoBay, stooped in Portmore and then Duhaney Park before going back to the office and the managers and those who administer the system could tell him where he had stopped.

                            I understand they system would cost about $35,000 per vehicle which is what US$500?

                            $500 is about what a mid to top end commercial unit costs. Not all have the tracking feature...not really a tracking feature per se, but a route recorder that can be read later. Based on what you tell me, this could just be a topo unit that can give a general location but not a street level pin point address.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sickko View Post
                              The story I head was that the driver was on his way back from MoBay, stooped in Portmore and then Duhaney Park before going back to the office and the managers and those who administer the system could tell him where he had stopped.

                              I understand they system would cost about $35,000 per vehicle which is what US$500?
                              If you want to read up on this stuff, try these sites:
                              www.pocketgpsworld.com
                              www.gpspassion.com
                              www.tomtom.com
                              www.garmin.com
                              and maybe best of all
                              www.gpslodge.com

                              All have forums with interesting chat.

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