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    Reminiscing about STGC and schoolboy football
    By Dr Lascelve ‘Muggy’ Graham

    Saturday, December 22, 2012

    I suppose congratulations are in order to my Alma Mater St George's College (STGC for once again assembling an almost unbeatable schoolboy football team. I am, however, experiencing a withdrawal of enthusiasm.

    It seems to be brought about by the acknowledgement as stated by a number of respected sports pundits and insiders, that STGC makes exquisite use of the loosely governed transfer market to put together a virtually invincible team loaded with talent, as would befit an all-schools team, a sports academy or a professional football club. This status is alluded to by the sobriquets "FC" and "United" often affixed by sports commentators and others to the STGC name.

    This is fuelled by facts like the observation that of the seven STGC players, who are on the Jamaica Under-20 squad, at least six are transfers, that the Georgian on the Jamaica Under-17 squad is a transfer and that on this year's squad there are at least 10 youngsters who came from other schools.

    Hence, I think it is only fair that we give credit to some of the schools and coaches that have played such a major role in developing and exposing this talent. I refer to schools and coaches including those of Mona High, Waterford, Hydel, Excelsior, Trench Town High, Calabar Primary and Junior High, Holy Trinity etc. In the Manning Cup final against Hydel, it is said that Hydel's two best players were representing STGC.

    In recognition of the changing times, it has been suggested that the cheer, which roused people like myself to do things on the football field that we never knew we had in us — "STGC good and true, we are the boys of the white and blue...." be changed to "STGC, Mona High, Waterford, Hydel, Excelsior, etc good and true, we are the boys of the white and blue..."

    I think they, at least, deserve some of the glory and funds — a finder's fee perhaps? Some have suggested a transfer fee — especially realising that they could have endeavoured to grab all the fame, funding etc for themselves, by keeping their stars. This may have helped them not only to have better sports programmes, but to become better educational institutions and so help Jamaica to increase its probability of giving all its children a higher quality education — a very secondary consideration it seems these days.

    In my time in high school, St George's College was totting up six consecutive Jamaica Scholarships, two Rhodes Scholarships and at the same time winning the Manning Cup, Olivier Shield and Walker Cup football crowns. When did we last produce a Jamaica scholar? We were passionate, fanatical even about football and produced more football "brightly shining stars" than all the other schools combined. Our stars, as described by the Gleaner of the time, "shone like diamonds in a pan of coal".

    We loved football to death. We produced more young footballers on the Jamaica senior team than all other high schools combined. We were, figuratively, the football academy of high schools. On one All-Schools team that represented Jamaica in Haiti, STGC had six picks — Jackie Bell, Dennis Barnett, Richard Domville, Dennis Chung, Trevor Summers and Lascelve 'Muggy' Graham. Dennis Zaidie was the reserve. These were "homegrown" — discovered, nurtured and developed by STGC, academically able and brilliant at sports.

    They all qualified academically for STGC and maintained passing grades while in school. The currency at that time to stay in the school was academic competence. Those Georgians and others underline again the lie being perpetuated, by those who would continue to use our youngsters through transfers for athletic purposes, that academics and sports talent are mutually exclusive. It is not true. There is no good reason to transfer sports talent into our high schools, which are specialised academic/technical institutions — not sports academies.

    The overwhelming role of sports in the framework of high school is as a teaching tool, a teaching aid, a socialising agent, a confidence builder to help all our students understand that they have stars and heroes within them and they can be whatever they wish to be. Develop and use the talent that our competitive academic system allocates to our schools. Schools just have to motivate and manage their students properly. Practise whole child development.

    As Arthur McKenzie, one of STGC's most illustrious sons and coaches, put it in an interview with The West Indian Sportsman: "Let me tell everybody this: before they judge St George's, they must remember the policy of this school. Some boys that I coach are unable to keep their places in the school, but other schools welcome them with open arms. St George's makes no concession for football ability: five boys that once attended St George's are now going elsewhere."

    Those five boys were all academically very able youngsters who were very talented at sports. They were just not focusing on academics at the time. The move helped all of them to refocus in time so that all became very successful, useful and productive citizens. It was the policy of the school that except in very rare, special cases, those, who qualified academically for the school and maintained good grades, attended and retained their places at the school. It was felt that our representatives should be chosen from among those. They truly, genuinely represented who we were and were representative of the true spirit in which school sports should be encouraged. STGC, as did many other schools, focused on its core mission — the academic/technical development of its charges as well as their proper socialisation. The best interest of the students and life after sports, not just winning at sports, was the motivation of the school.

    The ability to kick a football or run fast does not mean that a person has any more right to a place in a given academic/technical school than any other young citizen. We must look at other options. Even in Barbados, our Caribbean neighbour, the producer of some of the best cricketers the world has seen, sports plays no role in determining the high school that one attends. Sir Garfield Sobers, perhaps the best allrounder of all times, could not get a transfer to a higher-rated academic school and had to attend the school for which he qualified academically. His cricket development took place outside the school. But then, I suppose, Barbados is characterised by civility and a very high literacy rate.

    Our very own Raheem Sterling of Liverpool FC fame, who left our shores as a lad, developed his football talent in the academies of the English Football Clubs, not in school.

    I am told that times have changed and this is so true. We are now living in a knowledge-based world economy, which demands even more urgently that education be our top priority. The heavy focus on winning sporting events at the high school level that is strongly suggested by the large number of transfers in our sports teams is not in keeping with the traditions of St George's and doesn't seem like a step in the right direction for the proper education and socialisation of Jamaica's youth.


    Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport...#ixzz2FmjE4gVw
    Last edited by Don1; December 22, 2012, 09:09 AM.
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  • #2
    I do not know the story behind the scenes to determine how much is sour grapes and how much is genuine concern. However I have to ask those in the know, is anything stated in this article factually false?

    For example Is this true or false?

    ... some of the schools and coaches that have played such a major role in developing and exposing this talent. I refer to schools and coaches including those of Mona High, Waterford, Hydel, Excelsior, Trench Town High, Calabar Primary and Junior High, Holy Trinity...
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Islandman View Post
      I do not know the story behind the scenes to determine how much is sour grapes and how much is genuine concern. However I have to ask those in the know, is anything stated in this article factually false?

      For example Is this true or false?
      Willi cyan gi one ansa...but

      di sour grapes ting is juss fi mek di headline juicy
      TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

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      • #4
        I know my friend son is with them from first form and his dad is trying his best to make sure he gets in a good college. One of the things people don't know is the Bell family also own one of the number one tutoring company in Jamaica that help kids with studies and SAT. They helped the JFF with the juniors in the not so long past when they took them to Brazil.

        In five years time we will see if they youths actually made something of their education, Nowadays you don't have to have Rhode Sholars to move ahead.
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        • #5
          Me know Russell Bell is a legend. Hard to even get into his maths tutoring program.

          I hope there is a public response to Muggys article by someone connected to Georges.

          This school transfer issue is bigger than Bertis or Georges though. It is a debate that needs to take place.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Assasin View Post
            I know my friend son is with them from first form and his dad is trying his best to make sure he gets in a good college. One of the things people don't know is the Bell family also own one of the number one tutoring company in Jamaica that help kids with studies and SAT. They helped the JFF with the juniors in the not so long past when they took them to Brazil.

            In five years time we will see if they youths actually made something of their education, Nowadays you don't have to have Rhode Sholars to move ahead.
            Not sure if the "Bell family" has anything to do with this school you refer to. One of the brothers is the principal there and he is the only one I know who has anything to do with it.

            But what does that have to do with the discussion though? Are you saying Russell Bell tutors the transferees at StGC?


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            • #7
              Shhhh,

              Mek Muugy gwaan wid him sowah grapes!

              Never mind that Postie and Cannot Recall dinosaur dem back him. Dinosaurs apparently have a herd mentality, even when dem deh inna diffrant tribes. LoL

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              • #8
                It has already been rebuked.

                Muggy was the coach in 2001 and won nothing while alienating the Central Kingston community.

                He was busy sabotaging Bertis from way back in 1991 when I and my group used to follow the side from pre-season (practice matches).

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                • #9
                  It exemplifies the philosophy that Bertis has. He would love for all his charges to get a skollahship. He was telling me how he could arrange this from back in 1992 if they could manage minimal passes.

                  I recall how he made sure Q's brother would get game time, even as he was faaaar from the best player on the side and was a stretch for the bench. However, Bertis made sure to use him as an example, as he was headboy and among the best academic performers...who went on to be an Independence Skollah and later a Rhodes scholar. I heard Bertis numerous times encouraging the team to follow the lead of the Headboy and maxx out dem talent in ALL areas. Bertis owna son lived in Canada and when he came down to c=visit in the Summer, he was basically part of the team support staff. Bertis was NOT paid back in 1992. No idea if he is now, but would be surprised if he was. It was/is a labour of love.

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                  • #10
                    The mere fact that he has been writing a letter a week shows that the poor man has become unbalanced.

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                    • #11
                      Ok..he won nothing. But diid his players become Rhodes or Jamaica scholars??
                      TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Don1 View Post
                        Reminiscing about STGC and schoolboy football
                        By Dr Lascelve ‘Muggy’ Graham

                        Saturday, December 22, 2012

                        I suppose congratulations are in order to my Alma Mater St George's College (STGC for once again assembling an almost unbeatable schoolboy football team. I am, however, experiencing a withdrawal of enthusiasm.

                        It seems to be brought about by the acknowledgement as stated by a number of respected sports pundits and insiders, that STGC makes exquisite use of the loosely governed transfer market to put together a virtually invincible team loaded with talent, as would befit an all-schools team, a sports academy or a professional football club. This status is alluded to by the sobriquets "FC" and "United" often affixed by sports commentators and others to the STGC name.

                        This is fuelled by facts like the observation that of the seven STGC players, who are on the Jamaica Under-20 squad, at least six are transfers, that the Georgian on the Jamaica Under-17 squad is a transfer and that on this year's squad there are at least 10 youngsters who came from other schools.

                        Hence, I think it is only fair that we give credit to some of the schools and coaches that have played such a major role in developing and exposing this talent. I refer to schools and coaches including those of Mona High, Waterford, Hydel, Excelsior, Trench Town High, Calabar Primary and Junior High, Holy Trinity etc. In the Manning Cup final against Hydel, it is said that Hydel's two best players were representing STGC.

                        In recognition of the changing times, it has been suggested that the cheer, which roused people like myself to do things on the football field that we never knew we had in us — "STGC good and true, we are the boys of the white and blue...." be changed to "STGC, Mona High, Waterford, Hydel, Excelsior, etc good and true, we are the boys of the white and blue..."

                        I think they, at least, deserve some of the glory and funds — a finder's fee perhaps? Some have suggested a transfer fee — especially realising that they could have endeavoured to grab all the fame, funding etc for themselves, by keeping their stars. This may have helped them not only to have better sports programmes, but to become better educational institutions and so help Jamaica to increase its probability of giving all its children a higher quality education — a very secondary consideration it seems these days.

                        In my time in high school, St George's College was totting up six consecutive Jamaica Scholarships, two Rhodes Scholarships and at the same time winning the Manning Cup, Olivier Shield and Walker Cup football crowns. When did we last produce a Jamaica scholar? We were passionate, fanatical even about football and produced more football "brightly shining stars" than all the other schools combined. Our stars, as described by the Gleaner of the time, "shone like diamonds in a pan of coal".

                        We loved football to death. We produced more young footballers on the Jamaica senior team than all other high schools combined. We were, figuratively, the football academy of high schools. On one All-Schools team that represented Jamaica in Haiti, STGC had six picks — Jackie Bell, Dennis Barnett, Richard Domville, Dennis Chung, Trevor Summers and Lascelve 'Muggy' Graham. Dennis Zaidie was the reserve. These were "homegrown" — discovered, nurtured and developed by STGC, academically able and brilliant at sports.

                        They all qualified academically for STGC and maintained passing grades while in school. The currency at that time to stay in the school was academic competence. Those Georgians and others underline again the lie being perpetuated, by those who would continue to use our youngsters through transfers for athletic purposes, that academics and sports talent are mutually exclusive. It is not true. There is no good reason to transfer sports talent into our high schools, which are specialised academic/technical institutions — not sports academies.

                        The overwhelming role of sports in the framework of high school is as a teaching tool, a teaching aid, a socialising agent, a confidence builder to help all our students understand that they have stars and heroes within them and they can be whatever they wish to be. Develop and use the talent that our competitive academic system allocates to our schools. Schools just have to motivate and manage their students properly. Practise whole child development.

                        As Arthur McKenzie, one of STGC's most illustrious sons and coaches, put it in an interview with The West Indian Sportsman: "Let me tell everybody this: before they judge St George's, they must remember the policy of this school. Some boys that I coach are unable to keep their places in the school, but other schools welcome them with open arms. St George's makes no concession for football ability: five boys that once attended St George's are now going elsewhere."

                        Those five boys were all academically very able youngsters who were very talented at sports. They were just not focusing on academics at the time. The move helped all of them to refocus in time so that all became very successful, useful and productive citizens. It was the policy of the school that except in very rare, special cases, those, who qualified academically for the school and maintained good grades, attended and retained their places at the school. It was felt that our representatives should be chosen from among those. They truly, genuinely represented who we were and were representative of the true spirit in which school sports should be encouraged. STGC, as did many other schools, focused on its core mission — the academic/technical development of its charges as well as their proper socialisation. The best interest of the students and life after sports, not just winning at sports, was the motivation of the school.

                        The ability to kick a football or run fast does not mean that a person has any more right to a place in a given academic/technical school than any other young citizen. We must look at other options. Even in Barbados, our Caribbean neighbour, the producer of some of the best cricketers the world has seen, sports plays no role in determining the high school that one attends. Sir Garfield Sobers, perhaps the best allrounder of all times, could not get a transfer to a higher-rated academic school and had to attend the school for which he qualified academically. His cricket development took place outside the school. But then, I suppose, Barbados is characterised by civility and a very high literacy rate.

                        Our very own Raheem Sterling of Liverpool FC fame, who left our shores as a lad, developed his football talent in the academies of the English Football Clubs, not in school.

                        I am told that times have changed and this is so true. We are now living in a knowledge-based world economy, which demands even more urgently that education be our top priority. The heavy focus on winning sporting events at the high school level that is strongly suggested by the large number of transfers in our sports teams is not in keeping with the traditions of St George's and doesn't seem like a step in the right direction for the proper education and socialisation of Jamaica's youth.


                        Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport...#ixzz2FmjE4gVw
                        Hmm. It's unfair to count transfers from Calabar Primary in the same lot a transfers from a higher level school. Anyone who starts at first form should be counted as an original student. However, the point is well made St Georges Football Club is a semi professional footbal club and its unfair to poorer high schools.
                        The same type of thinking that created a problem cannot be used to solve the problem.

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                        • #13
                          Ok...let's concede that Jawges does a good job certainly of developing football talent and also promoting the athlete's academic prospects.... that being the case the situation clearly works for Jawges

                          But if 10 of the current star embedded squad originated in other schools...is this activity healthy for the "system" of HS ball??

                          That is the $64K question
                          TIVOLI: THE DESTRUCTION OF JAMAICA'S EVIL EMPIRE

                          Recognizing the victims of Jamaica's horrendous criminality and exposing the Dummies like Dippy supporting criminals by their deeds.. or their silence.

                          D1 - Xposing Dummies since 2007

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                          • #14
                            What I am saying is there could be the possiblitily of him helping or recommending a player or two if they needed the addition tutoring.

                            Somehow we acting like is only dumb ballers been transferred. Time for ISSA put their foot down. The debate in the public domain but who is benefitting from it? The transfers continue and the debate will have no end.
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                            • #15
                              It's not only dumb ballers that are being transferred, but clearly, they are the ones that will make the news. Why worry if the transferee is a legit 6th former with 8 CSECs.

                              And yes, there is that possibility, but what is the school...you know at Munro, if your grades are not good enough you may be "asked" not to show up for training. Does Jawges have such a rule?


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