Why the Jamaican goal was ruled offside

[Grizzly]

I have watched the disallowed Jamaica goal about 10 times on video and the offside call was correct. The problem is it is not the goal itself that was offside but rather the play preceding it which was called in an extremely delayed manner. The line judge had his flag up the whole time but the ref never looked at him. People who have downloaded the torrent should watch from the play preceding the scoring play which in itself was not offside. A summary of the play:



Gervais made a poor throw in to double coverage which resulted in Canada losing possession. Jamaica passed it up the field and a long pass was made to Morrison who was at least a stride behind our defenders in an offside position. All of the defenders put their hand up to indicate offside and even Sportsnet's incompetent play by play man Dobson called it yet the ref never looked at his linesman and allowed play to continue. Braz then stripped Morrison of the ball but cleared it poorly to another Jamaican player who shot on goal from far out. The ball was a bit wobbly but still far enough out that Sutton should have had it yet he misjudged it and it hit him in the face bouncing out to the onside Jamaican player Bennett who scored. The goal itself was good but the play preceding it was obviously offside. The correct call was made but the poor referree led to play continuing for 10 seconds after it should have been stopped.

[Tilla]

RE: Why the Jamaican goal was ruled offside

Sounds like a goal to me. If the referee missed the offside play, then Canada regained posession, then it negates the previous offside.Canadaloses the ball again to a Jamaican who took a shot which the goalkeeper deflected. Bennet then runs in and buries the resulting deflection. Why call back the goal?

If Canada had not recovered the ball, then there would be grounds for the referee to call back the play. Referee can and will miss fouls and offsides. I do not think however that you go back three posessions up to call an offside which was missed. Also, the referee has the final authority on calls on the field. He could have chosen to ignore the assistant referee because he saw that Canada had regained the advantage.

Anyway, that is just my opinion. Forum member Karl who is a retired FIFA referee can give his take.

[OJ]

RE: Why the Jamaican goal was ruled offside

I dont know conclusively if it was offside. Howerver Grizzly's analysis dont take the rule in account. If the initial shot went in it would have been a goal. The offside is not called if the player who is in an offside position is not active or does not paly the ball.. My only thing is I dont thing it was Bennet who was in an offside position and the goal should count. They may have been someone else in an offside position initially but that player did not affect play.. The goal could have counted.

[Mosiah]

RE: Why the Jamaican goal was ruled offside

Of course you're right. What's the statute of limitations on offsides?! Can you imagine...actually, with all due respect, we need not discuss what Grizzly said. It really makes no sense.

[Grizzly]

RE: Why the Jamaican goal was ruled offside

The offside must count because the initial advantage was achieved through the offside player. If Bennett does not receive and control the ball in an offside position, Braz does not make a hasty and poor attempt to strip the ball from him and make the poor clearance which led to the goal. The goal was scored due to an advantage gained from a player who was offside. There is no way such a goal can count or be legitimate. Canada did not control the ball and move it out after the referree missed the linesman's flag. Braz made a quick strip of the player and an emergency and ill advised kick out to a Jamaican player who started the scoring play. Look at the video of the play if you don't believe me. The linesman was correct but the ref screwed up by not looking at him when he had his flag up. The offside player directly contributed to the goal.

[Gamma]

RE: Why the Jamaican goal was ruled offside

awhoa you had me going...where would it end?!!!

[Mosiah]

RE: Why the Jamaican goal was ruled offside

<DIV>Yuhseeit, gamma? Grizzly not getting it. If you follow his logic, most games would end up 0-0!</DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>Di worst part is, him sound suh intelligent talking crap!</DIV>

[Tilla]

RE: Why the Jamaican goal was ruled offside

I have not seen the game as yet, but was the player who was considered offside just in an offside position or was he actually involved in the play? I say this because the rules state that not because you are in an offside position means you are offside. You have to be involved in the play. The thing is though, Canada did regain posession of the ball which would negate the offside call missed by the referee. The referee should not have gone back three plays to call an offside after the goal was scored. I will try to view the game soon though.

[Mosiah]

RE: Why the Jamaican goal was ruled offside

<DIV>In the World Cup final, the ref missed Materazzi's tug on Zidane's jersey. This resulted in the exchange of words and the famous head butt. Zidane was sent off. Most likely, Zidane would have taken a penalty kick so we must null and void the result of the final because had Italy not gained an avantage when the ref missed the shirt pulling...</DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>Grizzly, are you with me?</DIV>

[Karl]

RE: Why the Jamaican goal was ruled offside

Grizzly (9/7/2006)The offside must count because the initial advantage was achieved through the offside player. If Bennett does not receive and control the ball in an offside position, Braz does not make a hasty and poor attempt to strip the ball from him and make the poor clearance which led to the goal. The goal was scored due to an advantage gained from a player who was offside. There is no way such a goal can count or be legitimate. Canada did not control the ball and move it out after the referree missed the linesman's flag. Braz made a quick strip of the player and an emergency and ill advised kick out to a Jamaican player who started the scoring play. Look at the video of the play if you don't believe me. The linesman was correct but the ref screwed up by not looking at him when he had his flag up. The offside player directly contributed to the goal.

I believe your recap of the play!

Should have been - Goal!