USMNT vs Jamaica - June 5 at Audi Field

[USAF]

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2019/...-audi-field-dc

[USAF]

BROADCAST (Kickoff set for 7PM ET): FS1, UniMas & UDN. Can also follow via U.S. Soccer's Facebook (@officialussoccer), Twitter (@USMNT) and Instagram (@USMNT) accounts.

[HL]

On behalf of the forum...thanks.

[Jawge]

HL I would like for Chippy Bailey to either play for England or Germany (preferably Germany)Why? It would make it easier for the local ballas to break into top flight ball in Europe.

If Chippy suits up for Germany; clubs in Europe will take a look at Peter Lee and others. Don't take it personal , it's just business.

[Sir X]

Coming from a so called Garveyite.

[Jawge]

99% of your arguments are riddled with fallacies. Why is it that you reason so poorly? Is the Ja's league on par with that of Europe? What is the foundation of Garvey's message? I won't even answer any more of your drivel. I finally drew the hidden hand out totally.

[Sir X]

1st it's not an arguement, it's a statement, so called Garvey man.


Go back to your cave and play with your riddles.

[USAF]

You really think that all it takes is for Bailey to play for either England or Germany, and it would "make it easier for the local ballas to break into top flight ball in Europe"???

[Jawge]

There you go again! The fallacy of attacking the person called ad hominem the one above may fall into the straw man category. Look them up and get a dictionary app. I guess a statement can't be fallacious (a joker).

You also have the fallacy of time (which you use against Ole) This fallacy; is"I was smarter than him in primary school, now he is a doctor" or I was a better player than J.Barnes in high school now he plays for Liverpool. A lot may have changed in these peoples lives and one with no reasoning ability fall for these traps. The only reason Ole may seem ordinary in comparison to Zidane and Pep is because of the difference in quality players.

It's now easy to see why you are a flat earther. It's sad to see that Eratosthenes showed that the earth was curved and use it to calculate its circumference thousands of years ago. You here with computers AI et al and still being befuddled. Look up Eratosthenes and the earth's circumference. Let me help you; if get a 90 degree angle straight into the well at Aswan and the stick casts a shadow in Alexandria then there is curvature. Now with the distance which was done with the measurement of a stadium as reference, the rest is simple geometry. Take your time (even if it takes a year) and welcome to the world of logical reasoning. Also at the next FE meet up ask why is it one sees the moon in half.

[Jawge]

Not all but a significant portion. If you think otherwise please explain. Thanks.

[USAF]

Being able to consistently develop good youth players, is what will "make it easier for the local ballas to break into top flight ball in Europe".......The period when Jamaica was getting real interest from European teams was when the JFF, for the first time, had a program that resulted in Jamaica qualifying for the World Cup, U20 World Cup & U17 World Cup. That interest in Jamaican players didn't come because a Jamaican player represented an adopted European country, it came from producing a good group of players, in Jamaica, from U17 to senior team. The problem is that, investments, technical & financial, weren't made to build on what was started, and now the country doesn't have a comprehensive youth development program.

In 2000, a teenager from New Jersey, Giuseppe Rossi, went to Italy, to join Parma's youth program. Few years later (17) he was transferred to Manchester United. He has played in Premier League, La Liga & Serie A, and he has represented Italy from U16 to senior team. That didn't make it easier for U.S. youth players to break into top flight ball in Europe.......For the last 3 years, the U.S. has NEVER seen that many youth players being signed, to teams in Bundesliga, Premier League, La Liga & Serie A, as well as Eredivise, Primeira Liga & Belgian First Division A. There was a trickle here & there, mostly for players in their early 20s, but nothing like what is going on now, and the reason is the youth development system, that has received technical & financial investment over the past 6 years, is producing more technical, tactically aware & skilled youth players, and each new group seems better than the one before.......There was an article, last year, where European scouts were asked about this increased interest in U.S. youth players, and the general response was that we are producing better quality players, and they see it from watching the academies/youth teams & national youth teams play.

[Don1]

It's not rocket science BUT...

Being able to consistently develop good youth players, is what will "make it easier for the local ballas to break into top flight ball in Europe".......The period when Jamaica was getting real interest from European teams was when the JFF, for the first time, had a program that resulted in Jamaica qualifying for the World Cup, U20 World Cup & U17 World Cup. That interest in Jamaican players didn't come because a Jamaican player represented an adopted European country, it came from producing a good group of players, in Jamaica, from U17 to senior team. The problem is that, investments, technical & financial, weren't made to build on what was started, and now the country doesn't have a comprehensive youth development program.

In 2000, a teenager from New Jersey, Giuseppe Rossi, went to Italy, to join Parma's youth program. Few years later (17) he was transferred to Manchester United. He has played in Premier League, La Liga & Serie A, and he has represented Italy from U16 to senior team. That didn't make it easier for U.S. youth players to break into top flight ball in Europe.......For the last 3 years, the U.S. has NEVER seen that many youth players being signed, to teams in Bundesliga, Premier League, La Liga & Serie A, as well as Eredivise, Primeira Liga & Belgian First Division A. There was a trickle here & there, mostly for players in their early 20s, but nothing like what is going on now, and the reason is the youth development system, that has received technical & financial investment over the past 6 years, is producing more technical, tactically aware & skilled youth players, and each new group seems better than the one before.......There was an article, last year, where European scouts were asked about this increased interest in U.S. youth players, and the general response was that we are producing better quality players, and they see it from watching the academies/youth teams & national youth teams play.

For some weird reason most Jamaicans have a very hard time understanding your simple lesson - Invest consistently in the development of your local players/coaches/infrastructure - and progress is assured over time.

Jamaica and Jamaicans aren't interested in that philosophy. JA leaves the heavy-lifting of youth development to ill-equipped high schools toiling in recreational leagues. Then when those kids flop above that HS level - The dummies blame the high schools

The Fool's Gold of quick fixes gets most confused to the point of stupidity. So we find half-baked foreign players with trace JA blood-lines (not Bailey obviously) and parachute them into into the "national team" at the last minute in a desperate bid to "qualify for the next World Cup"

Even after 20 years of this stupidity & futility many still don't get it. That's the definition of idiocy

[Sir X]

Some (((so))) called Garveyites will never get it