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    Player preference
    A recent survey of 1,511 active NFL players by the NFL players association found that 73% of the players preferred playing on a natural grass system, while only 18% preferred artificial turf (4). Nine-percent of the players had no preference.

    Player injuries
    There is a lack of research comparing injuries incurred on new in-fill artificial fields vs. natural grass fields (5). There are data indicating that the traditional artificial turf fields increased athlete injury, primarily due to increased surface hardness.

    Although actual data are not available, anecdotal data are available from NFL players. Players were asked in a 2006 survey “Which surface do you think causes more soreness and fatigue to play on?”. Five-percent felt like natural grass systems increased fatigue, while 74% felt that artificial turf systems were more responsible for fatigue (5). Twenty-one percent felt they were the same. In the open comments section of the survey, the most common comment was “make all fields grass to prevent injuries.”

    Potential increases in infections

    An aspect of synthetic turf that is now receiving increased scrutiny is the potential for increased incidences of infections among players that play primarily on in-fill systems. In a report titled “Texas Football Succumbs to Virulent Staph Infection From Turf”, at least 276 football players were reported to be infected with an antibiotic-resistant staph infection, a rate of 517 for each 100,000 individuals (6). The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta reported a rate for the general population of 32 in 100,000. These infections were primarily associated with increased skin abrasions associated with synthetic turf and the risk of infection that might occur off the field from infections. In-fill systems must now be routinely treated with special disinfectants to reduce the likelihood of infections, adding another cost to the maintenance of these fields.

    High temperatures
    Artificial fields cannot be played on all the time due to temperature build-up on warm-sunny days. Artificial field surface temperatures have been documented as high as 199°F on a sunny day with an air temperature of 98°F (7). Researchers at Brigham Young University reported that the surface temperature of a synthetic football field on campus averaged 117°F, with a daily high of 157°F (8). On an adjacent natural grass field the surface temperature averaged 78°F, with a daily high of 89°F. Researchers at Penn State University studied the effect of using irrigation to reduce surface temperatures of synthetic fields and discovered that temperature could be decreased with irrigation, but the effects were short-lived (20 minutes) (9). Because of these high temperatures, an artificial field will remain largely unusable during warm days. Additionally, practicing on an artificial field could increase the incidence of heat stroke, muscle cramping, and overall athlete fatigue. Coaches holding practices on synthetic fields will need to monitor athlete health more closely and will need to limit the duration of practices on these surfaces to reduce the risk of athlete injury.

    The images below comparing air, water, bermudagrass, sand, asphalt, and synthetic turf surface temperatures illustrate how hot a synthetic field can reach during a warm day.

    http://turf.uark.edu/turfhelp/archives/021109.html
    THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

    "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


    "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

  • #2
    some of the statements are facts. The temperature is higher for sure on warm days and you can feel the heat through the cleats. As for injuries I wouldn't use football as the examples. You will take a pristine grass field over turf every day but I will take turf over a bad grass field as you get a lot of ankle injuries . Again it will take a grass field any day but turf as a place,

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    • #3
      The only way turf is cheaper is if you have volume like that of a high school or college where use is on the hour for P.E.If you have to cut days based on high temps,you start loosing more money.Keep in mind in Jamaica P.E/training is regularly halted to prevent heat stroke .

      Turf over a bad grass field,why compare Apple's and oranges,that's not what we are doing.We are looking at the pros and cons of grass vs turf,being at their optimum.

      Turf is good,only if you have a high volume of use in the right environment. Those two factors volume and environment, i.e heat make it a colossal waste in Jamaica, considering we have the technology to build and maintain grass fields.

      We just don't do it,the proof is we maintain cricket and golf fields,so if we can't do the cheaper cost effective thing,how in the world can we afford to flush 500k down the drain on turf?

      Dun talk!
      Last edited by Sir X; August 11, 2017, 04:12 AM.
      THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

      "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


      "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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      • #4
        natural grass is ideal...turf is more convenient...

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        • #5
          Ok bullead....lol.Yuh ave contacts and contracts with the manufacturers...lol
          THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

          "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


          "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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          • #6
            You use turf for a reason So where I live it makes sense to have 4 grass to 1 turf ratio so we can train longer in the year November and starting earlier march/April. also as I try to explain if you have many groups using it boys /girls you need to rotate the grass fields. You may not know this but it is pretty standard to have a mix . I am not sure of the price but you would look at it over the life of the turf ,say 10 years compared to grass. So if I pay 300k for turf over 10 years and 80k to lay a grass field but had to re sod 3 times in that period the turf is cheaper. That is how you would compare it.

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            • #7
              Yes sir

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              • #8
                How much to maintain Turf over that period ,post the comparables like I did,its a myth that its cheaper,turf also has a maintainance cost.

                Maintenance
                It is a myth that synthetic fields require less maintenance than natural turfgrass fields or to say that artificial turf fields are maintenance free. Synthetic fields require 1) additional infill, 2) irrigation because of unacceptably high temperatures on warm-sunny days, 3) chemical disinfectants, 4) sprays to reduce static cling and odors, 5) drainage repair and maintenance, 6) erasing and repainting temporary lines, and 7) removing organic matter accumulation. In a recent presentation by the Michigan State University, Certified Sports Turf Manager, she cited that the typical annual maintenance costs of her artificial turf fields ranged from $13,720-$39,220, while the typical annual maintenance costs of her natural turf fields had a similar range of $8,133-$48,960 (1).

                Long-term costs
                Long-term costs are less with natural turf fields compared to synthetic turf fields. Artificial fields need replacing every 8-10 years, whereas a natural turf field does not need as frequent renovation and can be renovated at a much reduced price compared to an artificial field. In a 16-year scenario, Fresenburg came up with an annual average cost for each field type as follows: the natural soil-based field, $33,522; the sand-cap grass field, $49,318; the basic synthetic field, $65,846; and the premium synthetic field, $109,013 (2).

                Disposal costs
                When artificial turf (in-fill systems) needs renovating every 8-10 years, there is a hidden cost of disposal. Because the field is filled and top-dressed with a crumb rubber material (typically made from ground automobile tires), the material may require special disposal. Disposal costs are estimated at $130,000 plus transportation and landfill charges (3).

                Warranty concerns
                Artificial turf (in-fill type) is a relatively new product. As such, its complete life span and maintenance requirements are not fully known. When considering the purchase of one of these systems, the answer to several questions should be researched prior to purchase. These questions include (adapted from Natural Grass and Artificial Turf: Separating Myths and Facts)(3):

                *Will the artificial turf manufacturing and installation company provide a ---*warranty specifying the expected life of the product?
                *Will the selling firm provide a warranty bond for the life of the product? This *will ensure that there is some legitimate recourse in the event of a product failure even if the seller is no longer in business.
                *What is the longest period of time the artificial field being specified has been in use at another school, college, or university?
                *What conditions or maintenance practices will void the field’s warranty?
                *Does a single warranty cover all aspects of the artificial field’s soil base preparation, base materials, artificial turf materials, etc; will there be separate warranties and warranty voiding conditions for each element, some of which could contravene each other?
                *What is the minimum and maximum financial investment in specialized equipment that must be purchased to maintain the artificial field at a level that will provide maximum playing conditions and maintain the warranty?
                *What level of technical training is supplied, recommended, or required for the maintenance crew in order to properly maintain the area and the warranty conditions?
                *What are the warranty requirements or recommended processes to address each of the following repair or replacement demands of the artificial surface:
                *Damage caused by fire? Large and small areas.
                *Damage caused by vandalism?
                *Discoloration of areas caused by wear pattern differences?
                *Replacement of areas caused by wear or other physical or weather-related damage

                http://turf.uark.edu/turfhelp/archives/021109.html


                Your assesment is too simplistic for me,I hope the JFF take the above into consideration.

                Thanks OJ,good discussion.If you have other numbers and points to rebutt,please do.
                THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                • #9
                  you are arguing with worse case scenario. I have yet to see the disposal of a field. I am not familiar with much of the costs you state. But is like proving to someone water is colorless.

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                  • #10
                    I am giving you a college study with references,you can't beat that unless you can present another.

                    These are not my OR the manufacturers opinion.Thats as independent as you can get!
                    THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                    "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                    "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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