Name Affi Call: Hl ! Lazie ! Jawge ! OJ

[Sir X]

Of course it can be done,in a 100 years ,or when we economically hit 1st world.The fact that other football nations dont use school boy football for talent does not make it a no go,or wrong !

In fact we have used school boy football with great success in the past to qualify for a WC campaign,reach 3rd place in the GC in 1993 and will continue to use it ,until we hit 1st world.

What you are doing is dismissing our cultural reality of over a 100 years of school boy football branding (sponsorship) to call for 1st world best practices without offering how you are going to build that 1st world brand,because what you suggest cost and enormous amount of money Lazie.

Schoolboy football with all its faults has been a success and the scary thing is if restructured properly,it can do a 100 times better.

[Lazie]

I think some of the forumites are underestimating how difficult it is to do what they are proposing.

Anyway, like I said scrapping schoolboy football is not going to happen in Jamaica and the best players are going to play as long as that is where the sponsorship is. Whatever can be done to improve youth football development is going to happen around that, not in place of it.

...but it can be done. The fact is what we have is not working. Which football powerhouse rely on school boy football for talent?

[Sir X]

Thats what I cant undersatnd with their proprosal,they dont factor in the cultural economic reality and present best practices which are 1st world,its not that we disagree or (I) that this is the right thing to do in an ideal world,but Jamaica isnt in the ideal position economically ,so to move against a 100 year culture of school boy football and economic sponsorship needs 1st world financial infusion.

It wont happen ! Rock ,I made that same point to a friend of mine,if we use school boy T&F to feed our senior national teams,why not football ?

Its good you guys put up 1st world best practices,in fact easy,any one can do that.Try suggesting a way forward that fits our cultural economic reality and you guys resort to ridiculing,ignoring and dismissing.

I have presented mine,others have stated the road blocks you guys would face,you guys are just shooting this pie in the sky vision.

Good luck.I will add to top it off,the path I suggested is suitable to our reality in the most obvious way,sponsorship is already in place for school boy football,it took over a 100 years of branding to reach here,Flow has used that cultural brand to sell its supercup.

Where and how do we sponsor yours ?

[Islandman]

I think some of the forumites are underestimating how difficult it is to do what they are proposing.

Anyway, like I said scrapping schoolboy football is not going to happen in Jamaica and the best players are going to play as long as that is where the sponsorship is. Whatever can be done to improve youth football development is going to happen around that, not in place of it.

[Islandman]

A school can't put a gun to a player's head to make them play, however, the clubs can put a gun to his head to make them NOT play in HS.

Given that choice, most of the best ones will play HS, unless the clubs can match the financial incentives that the school programs are giving them.

That is the challenge. The high school programs, at least the top ones, have lots of funding, the clubs don't.

[Rockman]

High school football is far more than tribalism.
Schools indentify the best players from a significant pool and showcase them.
The competitions are self sufficient,perhaps better sponsored than any under the umbrella of the JFF.
And then there are the players deciding to pursue football as a career only after distinguishing themselves in high school,it is well beyond the targeted age for an academy.
If anything, schoolboy soccer is a needed feeder..
Here is what I can't understand,we will not entertain scrapping champs but it is okay to do so with manning cup?
Both sport activities are extra curricular ones, and are overseen by people who perhaps are without the ideal credentials, or deemed part of The working mechanism.
The players on this very team all came from schoolboy football.
It is not one or the other.

[Lazie]

I think you are exactly correct. A school can't put a gun to a player's head to make them play, however, the clubs can put a gun to his head to make them NOT play in HS. This is now common place in many elite clubs in the US. It is also part of the US Development Academy requirements. As for NCAA, that is a wild "left turn" (that goes outside of FIFA) in the development of players which I believe will be history (as you say) for the top players who want to play pro. The MLS Academies will not (or do not) let their best play in NCAA or HS. This is the approach we should take. HS football is more about tribalism than development.

" HS football is more about tribalism than development" ...well said Paul Marin. I think that explains it best.

[Paul Marin]

Island man did you see the sportsmax parish competition? You can replicate that further more, if every senior club is required a youth program of 4 predetermined age groups you will over time take the onus off school football. imagine if Harbour view decides it is better for its top 16 year olds to play and train with the club rather than playing for wolmers it is not that you kill school boy football but you take out the elite players just the same way there is an argument to take elite players out of the NCAA. MyY Merostats don't send a heir best talent to St Johns U only the ones that is not ready for their feeder system or project 40.

I think you are exactly correct. A school can't put a gun to a player's head to make them play, however, the clubs can put a gun to his head to make them NOT play in HS. This is now common place in many elite clubs in the US. It is also part of the US Development Academy requirements. As for NCAA, that is a wild "left turn" (that goes outside of FIFA) in the development of players which I believe will be history (as you say) for the top players who want to play pro. The MLS Academies will not (or do not) let their best play in NCAA or HS. This is the approach we should take. HS football is more about tribalism than development.

[Rockman]

Okay OJ.

[OJ]

I'm talking about people playing now...btw we figured you high school rant .After running you mouth bout tappa nuh have UEFA you try change the subject to defend high school. You is What Courtney would call a Waggonist!

[OJ]

Don't know much by name but those two and a youth from Lennon are ones who could step into any mls academy and hold it down.They are others but I watch from a far so I won't pretend to know them.

[OJ]

Island man did you see the sportsmax parish competition? You can replicate that further more, if every senior club is required a youth program of 4 predetermined age groups you will over time take the onus off school football. imagine if Harbour view decides it is better for its top 16 year olds to play and train with the club rather than playing for wolmers it is not that you kill school boy football but you take out the elite players just the same way there is an argument to take elite players out of the NCAA. MyY Merostats don't send a heir best talent to St Johns U only the ones that is not ready for their feeder system or project 40.

[Jangle]

Walter " Blacka The Pearl" Boyd

[Gamma]

'I see', said the blind man to his deaf son.

[Sir X]

We depan a different tangent but best high school balla mi every see is Frank Bowen,followed by patcover.