The Trinity: BURYING THE DEAD

[Paul Marin]

The Trinity Lives>>>>>>>>>>>

LOL!!!!!!!!! Quadrilateral to the WERL!!!! Sheer genius.

[Jangle]

The Trinity
BURYING THE DEAD
The False Gospel according to Paul



A Trinity denotes a doctrine which encompasses three entities, representing a father figure, a son and a Holy Spirit. The entities have symbolic and practical meaning in the practicing of the Christian gospel, to be delivered and received by faith, symbolic in the way form of unity, practical in that it is achieved and practiced through faith. Christians baptize in the name of the Trinity: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Bill Shankly describes his gospel of governance by declaring “At a football club there is a Holy Trinity - “the players the manager and the supporters”, It is the Liverpool way. Shankly dismisses directors as there to only write cheques.We cannot deny that Bill Shankly is the Father of this trinity, where the other branches fit in, is debatable, but what is undeniable is that it is practiced through faith. Shanklys’ Trinity is lucid.


• Build an unbeatable team
• Let supporters forget their troubles
• Hold each other accountable.


Nowhere does Shankly state “if you don’t support us when we lose, dont support us when we win” It is a false gospel, it is ambiguous, has no standards, designed by heretics ,directors or fifth columnist to throw the Liverpool way out the door. This quote cannot be found on any bonafide Liverpool website, NONE! This Is Anfield website, located in Liverpool with the most supporters which span the world, has no mention of this quote, as this investigative Journalist concludes there is a problem. “Despite extensive research, there is no evidence Shankly ever said it” (Bascombe, 2011). It was found on social media, it is therefore a new gospel to promote a false doctrine, via social media “a quote attributed to the founding father of the modern Anfield, his image emblazoned on a montage on the club’s official Facebook page”. That said my recent search on Facebook has found it to be removed and it cannot be found on the LFC official fan website linked to the clubs website. Also of importance is this false gospel isn’t found on Bill Shanklys’ website. Most damming this false gospel has been attributed to our most hated adversary Sir Alex Ferguson on a Manchester united fan twitter account. It begs the question if the same person or groups attributing this quote to Shankly are linked to the Man U twitter account , are they indeed Man U supporters ?


The Father- Shankly


Shankly describes true fan support as “More than fanaticism, it’s a religion. To the many thousands who come here to worship, Anfield isn’t a football ground, it’s a sort of shrine” not merely fans he says but “members of one extended family” all this embodied in the gospel of the Trinity.

Shankly goes on to list to clearly state the gospel of Liverpool way, the objectives are.

* I want to build a team that’s invincible, so that they have to send a team from bloody Mars to beat us! (Bill Shankly)
* everyone working for each other, everyone having a share of the rewards. It's the way I see football, the way I see life(Bill Shankly)

* I was only in the game for the love of football - and I wanted to bring back happiness to the people of Liverpool.' (Bill Shankly)


The Sons- The Managers and Players

* Our job is to make the fans happy. When we win, 45,000 people go home happy. When we lose, it not only affects them, it affects their cats." Gerard Houllier
* Players have responsibilities, because, whether they like it or not, they are public figures. They have to be aware that the people who come to the ground spend fortunes in relation to what they earn." Gerard Houllier
* It was about my staff, the players, our families behind us, the people in Melwood and Anfield, the chairman, the CEO and the directors that gave us support every day, and the fans who were there for us every single minute.( Benitez) On winning the Champions League
* “It’s our job to make them forget their problems for 90 minutes” Klopp

* “I try to be as close as possible to the fans. “Klopp


The Holy Ghost- Supporters


• To represent the best interests of our members and by extension the best interests of the supporters of Liverpool Football Club on both the local and international level.
• To hold whoever owns the football club to account. (Spirit of Shankly )
• David Moores LFC previous owner states that the supporters are the foundation for success at LFC, he states after sacking Graeme Souness the first LFC manager to be sacked in 40 years. “ the decision to sack Souness was made because the results have been well below what is expected by the club and its supporters”
• “We just want to bring more trophies to the club for these amazing fans. They are the best. We have got just the right man to do that in Rafa." LFC Chairman David Moores.
• Ian Ayre reinforced it after sacking Brendan Rodgers Ayre admits Liverpool would be foolish to ignore the mood of supporters on social media, and hinted supporter unrest may have precipitated the downfall of Brendan Rodgers as Reds boss. “When there’s a consistent and common message, either good or bad, then that’s a good indicator,”



The False Gospel According to Paul


It is written in the Lords book “ if an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed” .It must be concluded, that those who uttered Paul Marin false gospel are cursed, heretics. Paul Marin attributes this to Father Shankly,Peter his sidekick supports this, he says “for sure he agrees with it ” he reinforces his point by saying it’s based on Paul’s Liverpool way and those who don’t know of it are ignorant of the Liverpool way”. So I confess I am guilty and if I am guilty so is Shankly, so are the Sons- Houllier, Benitez and Klopp so are the Holy Ghosts- The supporters. This gospel has no foundation in the Trinity, as David Moores says the supporters are the foundation for success, managers are hired with supporters expectations, Ayre says it would be foolish not to consider their thoughts and feelings when he acknowledges our moods. Any gospel without a foundation or born into ambiguity is designed to create failure by unrest. This gospels lacks mention of playing for supporters to forget their problems, winning trophies for fans (ambition). No mention of building a team that would require one from mars to beat us. To follow this gospel logic- thirty eight games are played in the season if we win one game for the season ,support should be given regardless of not meeting Trinity standards.


The Proof-Living In Sin


The proof comes from the horse’s mouth Paul says Rockman - support for any manager is support for the owners while they are in the club; but not after they get sacked. Isnt that ambiguity wrapped in mediocrity. Promoted by his manager Brendan Rodgers who states he has “never been told to deliver top 4”, then you have supporters of the false gospel, that pat each other on the back “Big up yourself Paul. Them expect a manager to come in and replace a legend” Johnny declares, others join in who have no regard for the clubs history or religion Mo states “What Brendan Rodgers does I am in agreeance”.The ultimate proof that their gospel is a false religion is made when Peter the defender of Paul’s Liverpool way consults with H.L an obeah man that declares Brendan Rodgers is a “good coach” but in need of a crystal ball to determine results concerning Liverpool. HL states “you should have simply asked me to borrow Miss Crystal she knew the results from last week” BLASPHEMY! To reinforce the heretics gospel Paul boldly proclaims “As I said, I have no issue with FSG doing what they choose to do, it's their club...and their criteria with him is unknown to me” No ambiguity here, he asserts he isn’t one with the Trinity, Shankly states the directors’ responsibility. Worse yet he declares he is unaware of a criteria for Brendan Rodgers, in total contradiction of the Trinity, at best at war with it. As a so-called fan of the club from 1971, Paul should have known that Bill Shankly walked away from four managerial jobs before coming to Liverpool, because they would not accept his Trinity.


* Carlisle- accused directors of reneging on player bonuses
* Grimsby- No money to buy new players-(Rafasique)
* Workington- Pitch destroyed by rugby players, directors more concerned with the rugby team to the point of drafting them in the football team
* Huddersfield-Board wanted to sell his best players- (Rafasique)


Heretics on Fire


Promotion of this heretical doctrine is done by soundbites designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator to divide, if you follow this gospel to its rational logical conclusion it falls off a cliff .This is done by screaming and denigrating those that challenge it, infantile childish bravado of one upmanship, e.g. Since “1971, i have been a LFC -for-life- fan, never declaring for any other” support is measured by years of service ,instead of good deeds by service. Ambiguous decalarations,moving goal post ,foggy statements, statements of pontification, semantics of nonsense ,contradictions ,oxymoronic diarrhea ,degernative irrational conclusions. They come as a legion that are continually casted out into swines’, their gospel is a house divided, They come from or align with different houses e.g Man City, Aston Villa, Arsenal,Man U etc. preaching this narrative. The truth becomes an offence when pointed out, it is spun by accusations of lack of comprehension or patriotism on the part of any seeking clarification for the ambiguity or in some cases outright lies, hall marks of any true heretic. Make no mistake about it, they will claim any manager as their own, any position of success as theirs, after all how else could these wolf in sheep clothing burrow in amongst the faithful with the only ambition to destabilize the trinity .But never forget their goals are

• No ambition
• No lucid vision
• No goals
• No unity
• No accountability
• No Joy by the true fans to forget their troubles


The Trinity Lives Through Revelation


The trinity can only survive if the truth prevails or is revealed, so lets examine the quote and find its truth, if any? “If you don't support us when we lose don't support us when we win”,

Strike 1 *- Where was this quote taken from and who presented it on the RBYSC site: Paul Marin from source unknown, attributed to Shankly and Sir Alex
Strike 2 * Quote is to support what? Is it a football game, a netball game, a political argument, a gamblers bet
Strike 3 * Win what, is it any of the above, or something other than? Or is it (a) game instead of the majority required to win a title/trophy or championship.

Three strikes you are out, it’s ambiguous, without foundation, no truth. Where does it state the Trinitys’ ambition of a team coming from mars to beat us, playing for supporters to forget their troubles, most of all supporters holding owners accountable? Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. Well I say, who that transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of the Trinity, hath not Shankly. This Trinity is the gospel according to Shankly, preached by the disciples, Paisley, Daglish, Houlllier, Benitez and Klopp, achieved and believed by true supporters through faith, I am a believer of the gospel are you.


References:


BibleGateway (.com: A searchable online Bible in over 100 versions and 50 languages.)
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"Bill Shankly in Quotes." Liverpool FC. N.p., n.d. Web. 12 Dec. 2015. http://liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-n...nkly-in-quotes


"Liverpool's Visit to Chelsea Would Be a Good Time for Under-fire Striker Andy Carroll to Start Proving His worth." The Telegraph. Telegraph Media Group, n.d. Web. 12 Dec. 2015.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...his-worth.html

Classic Quotes "Http://www.thisisanfield.com/clubinfo/classicquotes/." Classic Quotes. N.p., n.d.

Can s'mady (DEFINITELY not Karl) summarize this grandiloquent speech in 10 words or less. TIA

[Paul Marin]

Can s'mady (DEFINITELY not Karl) summarize this grandiloquent speech in 10 words or less. TIA

Sure - here's the gist of it: "X is chatting sh!t (again)"

[Rockman]

Doan think a nah notice sey yuh stop using dat so-called Shankly quote,for that you should be thankful to X.

[Paul Marin]

Doan think a nah notice sey yuh stop using dat so-called Shankly quote,for that you should be thankful to X.

Xcuse me - the quote is still relevant and I will CONTINUE to use it. The bwoy can't prove a negative, so mek him tan deh. See a good summary of his position yahso: http://tinyurl.com/p7m4tvf

[Peter R]

If Shankly didn't say it, it really doesn't matter...he meant it it all that he was known for. It's there in all his other quotes by inference! Why do you think such a quote could be attributed to him and take hold and be believable? (if in fact he didn't say it)

[Peter R]

What you fail to grasp in asserting that Shankly had several clubs and by extension absolving yourself of the sin of eschewing the great club for shallow harlots, is that "The Father" (manager) is allowed to be omnipresent (the nature of their position), as are players (disciples and saints)(also the nature of their role)... true supporters (ordinary mortals/believers) don't have that luxury

Here endeth today's lesson in "reality check"!

[Sir X]

Here is the thing, to support what ?

Directors , a 5th columnist agenda, win what ,destroying the club by advocating mediocrity,is that what you call a win ,because BR wasnt going to win squat ?

Thats why it matters if he said it compounded on the fact , you attributed it to him, it calls into question your ethical standards,but unnuh a heretics suh unnuh alright wid lying.


As I said, I have no issue with FSG doing what they choose to do, it's their club...and their criteria with him is unknown to me” No ambiguity here, he asserts he isn’t one with the Trinity, Shankly states the directors’ responsibility. Worse yet he declares he is unaware of a criteria for Brendan Rodgers, in total contradiction of the Trinity, at best at war with it. As a so-called fan of the club from 1971, Paul should have known that Bill Shankly walked away from four managerial jobs before coming to Liverpool, because they would not accept his Trinity.


* Carlisle- accused directors of reneging on player bonuses
* Grimsby- No money to buy new players-(Rafasique)
* Workington- Pitch destroyed by rugby players, directors more concerned with the rugby team to the point of drafting them in the football team
* Huddersfield-Board wanted to sell his best players- (Rafasique)

[Peter R]

Here is the thing, to support what ?

Directors , a 5th columnist agenda, win what ,destroying the club by advocating mediocrity,is that what you call a win ,because BR wasnt going to win squat ?

Thats why it matters if he said it compounded on the fact , you attributed it to him, it calls into question your ethical standards,but unnuh a heretics suh unnuh alright wid lying.


As I said, I have no issue with FSG doing what they choose to do, it's their club...and their criteria with him is unknown to me” No ambiguity here, he asserts he isn’t one with the Trinity, Shankly states the directors’ responsibility. Worse yet he declares he is unaware of a criteria for Brendan Rodgers, in total contradiction of the Trinity, at best at war with it. As a so-called fan of the club from 1971, Paul should have known that Bill Shankly walked away from four managerial jobs before coming to Liverpool, because they would not accept his Trinity.


* Carlisle- accused directors of reneging on player bonuses
* Grimsby- No money to buy new players-(Rafasique)
* Workington- Pitch destroyed by rugby players, directors more concerned with the rugby team to the point of drafting them in the football team
* Huddersfield-Board wanted to sell his best players- (Rafasique)

You keep throwing these red herrings that don't address directly what is at issue here. Whether or not Shankly said it, are you saying that the quote is something he would disagree with? The essence of that quote, his or not, is there in all the other quotes attributed to him, for even blind people to see. That's all.

Support what? the club of course! duh, and what constitues it. You my friend chose to walk away! you cannot undo that, you said it, you did it and that's that. All yuh doin is spinning and being revisionist.

Confession is good for the soul! It will liberate you!

[Sir X]

You keep throwing these red herrings that don't address directly what is at issue here. Whether or not Shankly said it, are you saying that the quote is something he would disagree with? The essence of that quote, his or not, is there in all the other quotes attributed to him, for even blind people to see. That's all.


Thats not all - The issues are

*Credibility - Yours and Claffy along with Shankly, that would involve the context it was said, e.g if it was said by a dictator suppressing the minority or a majority is that something Shanks or you and your heretics would subscribe to ?
* Paul said it in reference to supporting a midtable manager who he confesses is one with the directors - would Shanks subscribe to that ?

Support what? the club of course! duh, and what constitues it.

* Paul says the owners and by extension the manager, he mentions supporters in a negative way - so DUH !


You my friend chose to walk away! you cannot undo that, you said it, you did it and that's that. All yuh doin is spinning and being revisionist.

*Shankly would walk too, given his history of walking, that you cannot dispute.

Confession is good for the soul! It will liberate you!

* Liberate yuhself accept the TRINITY

[Peter R]

You are nothing more than a spin doctor... Shankly never walked away from LFC: NEVER! ----- YOU DID!

All you can say is he WOULD walk away? UTTER BULLSH!T!!! Even though it pains me to make this comparison, yuh think Alex Ferguson would walk away from ManU? regardless of who is at the helm? (Moyes, LvG) if is one thing I have to give him (AF) credit for (other than his obvious triumphs) is his loyalty to his club. Shankly probably had a very great influence on him (both being Scottish etc.) but that's a different discussion) When Shankly ended at LFC he came home!

And you, who spurned the club for mid-eastern gold in search of Mancunian silver would want to put your skewed perception of loyalty as the same as Shankly?? You are one deluded soul! and yes, Mo is right, the stupid one here is me for even attempting a discussion. Well, I have tried, but when all the other person seeks is an egomaniacal self-centred victory, (and keeps on doing so because he either is shot down or he doesn't get the desired result) in an argument, (and I do not use the word in the vulgar sense) to stroke his ego, pride and sense of self worth, rather than to seek understanding or to exchange ideas, then it really does not make sense.

This characterisation of you X I arrive at, as I see no other explanation for what you demonstrate on this forum on daily basis.

Anyway, I wish you well at Man$ity, unuh could do the triple this year and that should warm your traitorous heart!

I will leave you with this... "The aim of argument or discussion, should not be victory, but progress" ~ Joseph Joubert

Walk good.

[Paul Marin]

You are nothing more than a spin doctor... Shankly never walked away from LFC: NEVER! ----- YOU DID!

All you can say is he WOULD walk away? UTTER BULLSH!T!!! Even though it pains me to make this comparison, yuh think Alex Ferguson would walk away from ManU? regardless of who is at the helm? (Moyes, LvG) if is one thing I have to give him (AF) credit for (other than his obvious triumphs) is his loyalty to his club. Shankly probably had a very great influence on him (both being Scottish etc.) but that's a different discussion) When Shankly ended at LFC he came home!

And you, who spurned the club for mid-eastern gold in search of Mancunian silver would want to put your skewed perception of loyalty as the same as Shankly?? You are one deluded soul! and yes, Mo is right, the stupid one here is me for even attempting a discussion. Well, I have tried, but when all the other person seeks is an egomaniacal self-centred victory, (and keeps on doing so because he either is shot down or he doesn't get the desired result) in an argument, (and I do not use the word in the vulgar sense) to stroke his ego, pride and sense of self worth, rather than to seek understanding or to exchange ideas, then it really does not make sense.

This characterisation of you X I arrive at, as I see no other explanation for what you demonstrate on this forum on daily basis.

Anyway, I wish you well at Man$ity, unuh could do the triple this year and that should warm your traitorous heart!

I will leave you with this... "The aim of argument or discussion, should not be victory, but progress" ~ Joseph Joubert

Walk good.

Tell him fi me!!! The joke is that he is trying hard to justify his actions which are unjustifiable. He quotes the 90%...how many of them ran to City? He talks abou the trinitiy - which part of that includes supporters from City? LOL!! This klown tink seh people fool. Woooooooooieeeeeeeee.

[Sir X]

The truth hurts guys and its not on me,you lied,attributed a quote to Shankly he never made,then you dismiss iit ,as he could have made it,despite not one article to support it,keeping that in context, he was the Fergie of the time,any quote he made was front page of the sports section,then you want context,its clear Shankly would be spinning in his grave if he heard BR saying,I wasn't given Top 4 as any criteria,worse yet Paul saying he supports that kind of manager or owners but back to context,you haven't a clue where it came from and for you to attribute it to the great Shankly is a question of ethics, you move your goal post to justify nonsense.,as I said you two are dead and buried,no hate on my part ,I don't want to come off as abusive by desecrating the dead.

There is redemption for you two ,seek the Trinity.

[Paul Marin]

The truth hurts guys and its not on me,you lied,attributed a quote to Shankly he never made,then you dismiss is as he could have made it,despite not one article to support it,keeping that in context, he was the Fergie of the time,any quote he made was front page of the sports section,then you want context,its clear Shankly would be spinning in his grave if he heard BR saying,I wasn't given Top 4 as any criteria,worse yet Paul saying he supports that kind of manager or owners but back to context,you haven't a clue where it came from and for you to attribute it to the great Shankly is a question of ethics, you move your goal post to justify nonsense.,as I said you two are dead and buried,no hate on my part ,I don't want to come off as abusive by desecrating the dead.

There is redemption for you two ,seek the Trinity.

Seek the Quadrilateral you mean!!! LOL!!! Two things:

1) you have a very peculiar way of reading, not comprehending, and then flying off in a directionless rant about things which only highlight your stupidity. You say "I support that kind of manager" - really - what kind of manager exactly? I have said - I support whoever is LFC's manager - that you measure people at milestones, not after each game, and one such marker is Christmas. Your kind of stupidity flits about like a feather in the wind, directionless, without any kind of substance to your criticism of the manager 2) YOU LEFT AFTER 3 FRIGGING GAMES INTO THE MANAGER'S TENURE....AND THEN YOU TRIED TO COME BACK!!!! If that ain't waggonism - what is? In your delusion, you want to kid yourself that Shanks would have supported that - my ass.

Do you think people are STUPID. The only fool around here is you. Take your quadrilateral doctrine and go spin it elsewhere. You are a fool. Just accept it an move on. Look, if this will help - look in the mirror and repeat these words "Mirror mirror on the wall who is the biggest fool of all" ... the mirror will cloud up likkle bit, and reveal the image of the person who answers your question. Try it...chuss me, the mirror won't lie.

[Sir X]

Speaks to my wisdom doesn't it? At least I don't grasp at straws with a made up gospel,if you could be so honest for once in your life,I told you before he was hired,he isn't up to LFC standards,he came without pedigree,I believe I said from under which rock did they find this guy,I was right,he went back from whence he came.

You have serious credibility issues which I exposed,unlike you,I dont support any manager the directors thrust upon us and this is what seperates you from the faithful of Shankly,Rodgers never got support of the faithful he wasn't the X standard he had to earn it he failed, and you backed him in failure to the point of lies.