Great business Pool

[Mosiah]

Is he at Liverpool?

Then why worry. Wait till di Top Coach deal wid him.

[Stonigut]

Excellent point, once you have the opportunity to play every day then the excuses should go away, henry was at Juve for eight months and played 19 games, basically half a season of ball, his first full season after that at Arsenal he scored 24 goals. Barkley has played close to three full seasons and has scored ten goals and had two assists. Coutinho is closing in on five full seasons and is twenty goals and eighteen assists, not bad, but not phenomenal, better than Barkley.

[Stonigut]

I hear that but still he has not shown an ability to produce the goods, just a brucky boo who is enamored by his shifting ability.

[Stonigut]

Sterling is not in the same boat at all, he is actually producing and at a earlier age and more goods, there is no comparison, sterlings weakness is his finishing ability, he does great things up to the final delivery point, then the shot is weak , more physical conditioning and improved mental strength necessary. Personally I see a Messi like ability all the way up to the final shot, if he gets that going, god help them.

[Stonigut]

Kids don't get that start because mentally they cannot handle it, it takes a rare find to get a id that age to do what get us doing, let's see if they can further develop his mental strength and finishing ability.

[Dunny]

I Watch the games Dunny and I see that he is a good player but he is not as productive as you would expect with his talent level. He needs to step it up another notch, Sterling is what two years younger and much more productive.

Ok then Mr stats man chew on this one. I want you to tell me Andres Iniesta is not a great player. Let me know his stats

[Assasin]

Mosiah posted quotes from Cruyff saying at 15 he couldn't shoot from 15 yards and he wouldn't impress many scouts today. Stoni a ball it name and for some reason you will find players shine at a young age and others mature at an older age.

The fact is this player has improved over the past 2 years and is finally delivering what some people thought he had. You first have to be some kind of talent to be at Juve.

[Stonigut]

Truthfully I know little about iniesta and the little I know is that he played in systems where he was an integral part of the workings of that system and had players around him which minimized the need for him to be highly productive in conventional form, even though he was somewhat productive with his best season being three goals and 16 assists but overall stats he looks unremarkable, which is your key point.

He played mostly at Barca and for Spain using the tiki taka style which he was an integral part in developing the actual implementation and on field execution, it minimizes what I call fundamental football, with the focus on picking players in my mind that have excellent brain to body coordination which in that system works extremely well to grind out ball control and eke out wins. Tiki taka can be killed with superior athletes playing an intense pressing game as we saw with the german dismantlement of Barca and that style and the subsequent death of that style in the last World Cup.

I hate that kind of ball it kills the game I know and I am happy it is on the sideline and going away.

Jamaica does not have the tools or the will to develop players like that so the way we know best and need to use more is measuring physical ability combined with productive results, if we keep looking at players like benbow spinning and turning like a gig but not actually creating or producing results then we get mired in the trap of finding Iniesta's versus finding Sterlings and cazorlas with very clear physical talent capped off by productive results.

[Dunny]

Truthfully I know little about iniesta and the little I know is that he played in systems where he was an integral part of the workings of that system and had players around him which minimized the need for him to be highly productive in conventional form, even though he was somewhat productive with his best season being three goals and 16 assists but overall stats he looks unremarkable, which is your key point.

He played mostly at Barca and for Spain using the tiki taka style which he was an integral part in developing the actual implementation and on field execution, it minimizes what I call fundamental football, with the focus on picking players in my mind that have excellent brain to body coordination which in that system works extremely well to grind out ball control and eke out wins. Tiki taka can be killed with superior athletes playing an intense pressing game as we saw with the german dismantlement of Barca and that style and the subsequent death of that style in the last World Cup.

I hate that kind of ball it kills the game I know and I am happy it is on the sideline and going away.

Jamaica does not have the tools or the will to develop players like that so the way we know best and need to use more is measuring physical ability combined with productive results, if we keep looking at players like benbow spinning and turning like a gig but not actually creating or producing results then we get mired in the trap of finding Iniesta's versus finding Sterlings and cazorlas with very clear physical talent capped off by productive results.

Eh!Eh!Eh! Stats are important but sometimes we have to look beyond them. Back to Coutinho he is a fantastic young player, great workrate, can dribble, pass, has an eye for goal and the most important thing he is always positive in possession trying to make something happen. Defenders are uncomfortable when he picks the ball up close to the eighteen yard box. Even at his young age he is now the most influential player in the Liverpool team.

[Assasin]

larks Teacher Dunny. Give them a lesson fi mi. LOL!!!

[Mosiah]

Stats should not become a shackle!

[Stonigut]

Sorry, I beg to differ, many of those things but not what you just said about being the most influential, needs to show a lot more. Just recently we saw that Gerrard was most important, I said a million times both with pool and England that he was living on fumes. As soon as he got less playing tine the side started to flourish and the coach started laying his signings and remembered his own blueprint for success.

The player that has made the most difference recently (last ten games or so) has been emre can followed by sahko for me, coutinho needs to do more in terms of actual production.

[Assasin]

Stoni Gerrard was important to Liverpool up to last year. This year Rodgers went out and bought players and the youngsters got more experience. Gerrard wanted big salary and the coach saw that his influence on the team was not needed as he is also getting older, but up to last year Gerrard was a very needed player for Liverpool unless you follow X theory. Gerrard is now 34.

[Stonigut]

Stats allow you to make decisions based on information not on fell suh business, we are in the feel suh business which is why we cannot compete or even Id and develop our best potential for export to the best leagues, our id and development system is weak.

[Sir X]

Stoni we on the same page,The defensive midfield was key,it did two things give the defence time to organize itself and spring the counter attack,the flexibility of Can is the signing of the yute coach season.