Karl what you think about the following quote?

[Karl]

well my coaching with youth teams has been very successful. how was yours?

Youth

Coached season year only. JV and Senior team - Not bad!
...never won any titles. ...but won a few games.

TEAM - St Andrew's Episcopal Academy, http://www.staacademy.org/

Adult in Jamaica.

Major League - 1 competitive game v HVFC at Compound, HV.
0 - 0 Draw. game

Pre-season won all matches save against Port Morant United (team with Lataphy and Lewison of T'dad). Their TEAM coached by Allan "Skill" Cole, was arguably very top TEAM in Jamaica at the time - Lost 1 - 0 on the Vauxhall grounds.

One season with Mico - Inter-collegiate football - Won a few games. Did not win a trophy.

The teachers have never taken the playing of games seriously. Few practices and often members of the team were rotated as "Teaching practice" preparations and other activities interfered.

The student-teachers were serious about learning the game from the viewpoint of being able to gain in-depth knowledge on coaching/teaching the game. As member of the Department of Physical Education lectured on various areas of same.

So my involvement in teaching the game had two different teaching components - a) Preparing TEAM for competition; b) As academic subject. Improving knowledge and teaching skills of student-teachers.

Aside: Quality of play in JA very low. ...any half-decent teacher/coach - person with true knowledge of the game - should be able to in 2 years take any of the National League teams and transform same into top JA club competitive team in a season with the club taking its place among the top teams in the second season. There is not much on TEAM quality to surpass. ...at lower levels similar situation holds true i.e. transforming even the worse of TEAMs into top contender in a season as the quality in each of the leagues is awful=ignorant of the game anti-TEAM quality.

What were the aims behind your teaching/coaching of the game?
How about the quality of play in and at the level you taught?

[Gamma]

u12 - boca travelling: never won a trophy semis and finals of winterpark tourney one season.

u12 - BVI 1 title in 2 years

u9 - 2 titles in 2 years: BVI

u-7 no titles over 2 years.

my most memorable outing was in florida 16-0 against a formidable u12 Kendall team in a travelling league match. We won 16 or 17 to nil and a german (or polish) spectator sought me out to tell me that my team played like little professionals which they did I must confess. that was our best year. we came upon a very formidable coral springs side which outmuscled us.

the boca team, about 6 or 7 of the players went on to play college soccer.

level in the BVI was fairly good, some of the kids on one of the other rival teams went to summer camps in fl, spain and england. most importantly ... just the season i took over they were regularly getting hammered .... after 3 years they were the team to beat....

about 3 or 4 of my players are on this team inlcuding the 5th place goal score

http://www.virginislandsnewsonline.c...als-by-seconds

one of the bright sparks ... started train him at age 4

http://www.virginislandsnewsonline.c...ions-joint-top

[Karl]

u12 - boca travelling: never won a trophy semis and finals of winterpark tourney one season.

u12 - BVI 1 title in 2 years

u9 - 2 titles in 2 years: BVI

u-7 no titles over 2 years.

my most memorable outing was in florida 16-0 against a formidable u12 Kendall team in a travelling league match. We won 16 or 17 to nil and a german (or polish) spectator sought me out to tell me that my team played like little professionals which they did I must confess. that was our best year. we came upon a very formidable coral springs side which outmuscled us.

the boca team, about 6 or 7 of the players went on to play college soccer.

level in the BVI was fairly good, some of the kids on one of the other rival teams went to summer camps in fl, spain and england. most importantly ... just the season i took over they were regularly getting hammered .... after 3 years they were the team to beat....

about 3 or 4 of my players are on this team inlcuding the 5th place goal score

http://www.virginislandsnewsonline.c...als-by-seconds

one of the bright sparks ... started train him at age 4

http://www.virginislandsnewsonline.c...ions-joint-top

Good going!

[Gamma]

This is this year after my time but this is the team I had and the Prentice boys I have been coaching since they were 4 and 6

Jalen at one stage played u7 u9 and u12 me winning at u9 and runner up at u7 and u12



http://www.virginislandsnewsonline.c...rst-impression

[Karl]

if my striker scoring goals and my defence leaking goals ..... the problem is NOT with my striker 99.9% of the time.

takining of a striker who is scoring for me BECAUSE the opposition is coring more, is a recipe for disaster. i need to be looking at the goalie/defence and defensive midfield. you gwa'an majoring in D minor.

Now who is you gwa'an majoring in D minor????

You are/were coaching youngsters. ...not adults!
You cannot equate what you were doing with coaching 'real' TEAMs=with coaching adult TEAMS.

Youngsters at the age you are/were coaching cannot physically or mentally perform as do adults and it would be unreasonable to expect them to do so.

The type performances indulged in by such youngsters is part of learning process...a step on the road to developing mind and body to be able to play the game. E.g. Unless the field-of-play is specifically truncated and length of time shorted when compared to the size fields adults perform on and those modifications allow for the appropriate age-group to physically perform in similar manner to adults and those players mental development is such that they think as do adults you cannot replicate 'real football'.

Just think on it - While the field-of-play and the length of game can be so adjusted that physically movement can be somewhat similar to that of adults it is impossible for the youngsters you coach to be at the mental stage of development to play 'real football'. So when you speak of

if my striker scoring goals and my defence leaking goals ..... the problem is NOT with my striker 99.9% of the time.

takining of a striker who is scoring for me BECAUSE the opposition is coring more, is a recipe for disaster. i need to be looking at the goalie/defence and defensive midfield.

...about your "immature" physical and mental protégés and go on to in context of the adult football we discuss most often on this board...you sir, are dabbling in comparing 'cheese to chalk'=engaging in thinking that, to use your phrase,

majoring in D minor

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It is the comparable FIFA U-17s youngster that I would demand performances that ape 'real football'...and that in the context/the proven knowledge that most cannot mirror adult level performances - possible 99.9999999+% cannot. I would hazard a guess that not more than that referenced 0.0000001-%age figure can mirror performances that adult top league professionals display.

Aside: I would expect our properly coached schoolboy teams to ape those top FIFA U17 TEAMs.

We have the talented youngsters!

[Gamma]

you asked. i answered. furthermore, the FUNDAMENTALS are taught to children NOT adults. If you have to coach adults on the fundamentals that battle is lost. i took for granted that this was not in issue and the purpose was to demonstrate how learning the fundamentals can affect the play of children.

again, if i have a player scoring goals but the we are giving up more goals, my problem is not a striker!

sanchez is playing no different than we he started the season, he is scoring more because he is willing to take those chances and also because of his drive tenacity and creativity which has always been there. no coach in his right mind would leave a player like that on the bench, i suspect you would though.

[Karl]

well my coaching with youth teams has been very successful. how was yours?

In real sense I have not coached a team. You were at your teams for years. I have been at most 1 season with 2 each teams - St. Andrew Academy varsity and senior team and also the Mico team.

Note that at St. Andrew I split my time between the two teams and the Miconians would best be described as part-timers. The one team where I put in my best effort the Central Kingston team, I left after 1 half of a competitive game when the 'local Don' attempted to interject himself in my handling of the team at half-time in our match at HVFC.

So yes, my attempt at coaching/teaching young players the game was not a successful stint.

btw - Please remind where your teams won trophies? ...and what the players went on to accomplish as footballers?

[Gamma]

I believe I gave you that info already ..... In this very thread