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then might as well do away with officials altogether...what you going to do ignore the linesman's flag till the play is over then go to the tape? makes no sense...the officials just need to stop making calls they are not 100% sure of...if there is doubt keep the flag down...or take the whistle from your lips...
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BT - how you mean it makes no sense? After Dos Santos's goals, what would have been wrong with a video official upholding the linesman's calls? If Dos Santos missed the goal, it would be a non event and you carry on. In the time between the ball hitting the back of the net and the plays being restarted, the world saw that these were both clearly not offside about 5 times to Sunday. Sorry - it does make sense when the ball goes into the goal.Originally posted by Bricktop View Post"H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365
X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...Comment
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so then there is no need for a referee or a linesman...let a computer ref the game...what about defenders or goal keeper reacting to a linesman's flag? both calls against dos santos were not even close...officials just need to do their jobs...Comment
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It's called a review star. We are talking about either upholding the decision or denying it. NOBODY generally, reacts to the flag. The scorer does not see the flag nor does the keeper. In any case, THE WHISTLE is what stops play. The only time the TV HAS to be involved is when a goal results! Don't you understand that??? THAT is the point.
AND, it is precisely that we are human that we need the help that the technology we have created be put to constructive use. You drive a car don't you?
Peter R
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Nobody reacts to the linesman's flag? are you kidding me? Goalkeepers and defenders stop all the time when a linesman's flag is up...the referee can't ignore a linesman's flag for offside...the ref is in no position to call offside...once again...why not just do away with human officiating then?Comment
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Okay boss... just answer me this question. Were the goals that Mexico scored offside or not and how did you know? And knowing that information could you not then make the correct decision to award a goal or not?
It's simple really, not rocket science.
OH and BTW, you could react to the flag all you want, if the whistle don't blow it's play on. Ask Karl if you don't believe me.
Peter R
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the goals were onside...i know because dos santos was in line with the defender when the ball was played on the first goal...on the second goal you can't be offside from a corner kick or a deflection from a defender...not rocket science at all...calls that should have been easily made by the linesman...obviously icnompetent linesman as the plays werer not bang bang plays...the referee cannot wave off an offside call by a linesman...cannot...he can for a foul call...Comment
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And how did you know he was onside on the first goal? you saw that with your naked eye first time? or did the replay confirm it for you?
In my case I couldn't say until the replay showed him offside. The correct decsion then should be, another official pressing a button (within less than ten seconds) and saying to the ref, : Ey boss, that's a good goal. Ditto on the second.
I am not advocating machines taking over, but using the technology to right, OBVIOUS to the billions watching, what is a wrong!
If they want a side could be limited to ask for two reviews in one match, like in tennis or cricket. It's not revolutionary. BUT, it should just be done as a matter of course.Peter R
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So therefore, a review would make the incompetence of linesmen irrelevant. Duh! And by the way - this is wrong: "he referee cannot wave off an offside call by a linesman" - the ref can ignore it all day long if he wants. Don't is true Karl?Originally posted by Bricktop View Post"H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365
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The "incompetence" in many cases is due to having humans enforce a law with inadequate equipment, the human eye...
Peter R
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Just for the record there are times the ref is in a perfect position to see whether or not an off-side signal by an assistant referee (linesman is correct).Originally posted by Bricktop View Post
...on the 2nd time Dos Santos put the ball in the met the ref was in a perfect position. As the referee's assessor would 'tick' positional abilities - check!
Generally speaking (i.e. for entire match) this ref's movement on the pitch was wonderful.
...back to the 2nd call - It was scored from a corner-kick:
The Laws of the Game cannot be more explicit -.There is no offside offense if a players receives the ball directly from a corner
Other consideration: In the instant case the ball came in contact with a defender. So it could be said the defender received the ball directly from the corner and then played it to the forward (dos Santos). For fact the ball was never played at any time after the restart of the game by the corner by any other member of the Mexican TEAM (dos Santos' TEAMmates)...therefore on this second consideration dos Santos has also not found himself foul of the Law.
GOAL! GOAL! GOAL!
FIFA has mandated its Referees in all FIFA tournament be outfitted with a intra-TEAM referee communication tool so referees can also seek clarification from assistant referees (and issue instructions as necessary) during the course of the game. If the referee on seeing "NO OFFSIDE" thought the assistant referee was signaling for another offense he could have checked to so ascertain and to accept his assistant's advice or to discard same!!!
The signal for offside call is raising of an arm which shall not be lowered until the given kick is taken.
Can anyone remember what the referee did as it pertains to 'raising an arm' signal for an In-direct Free Kick such as would be awarded for an off-side or dangerous play?
Or did he not raise an arm - i.e. He gave a direct free kick penalizing the Mexicans? ...indicating that a call on Offside was never made...but rather a call for a 'foul' by a Mexican?
For my part I saw no Offside or foul committed. Appears to be mistaken call by Ref. GOAL it should have been!"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."Comment
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Karl, If the linesman raises his flag for whatever reason, including offside, does that mean the players then should stop playing? or are they supposed to continue playing until the ref blows the whistle? I've seen instances where refs have ignored the flags, even while acknowledging same, and play continues as the whistle has not been blown.
I suspect I know the answers. My point is, while BT contends that players react to the flag which I do not dispute, they are wrong to do so until they hear a whistle. I always remember the term "play to the whistle"...Peter R
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You are on point, boss!Originally posted by Peter R View Post
Bricktop is 'reaching'!
Even in Jamaica with our horrible teachers/coaches we are taught "play to the whistle"."Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."Comment
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great...now address the point...a referee cannot wave off a linesman making an offside call...
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