Caribbean Professional League? -

[Gamma]

regarding your secodn point the MLS comes with TV and merchandising money ... yes we may not be on the priority list but we could at least make a presentation to convince them that we should be. the support of 1 team refers to a craibbean MLS franchise with several jamaican

Charter flights would/could do it the way they do it now, travelling from LA to Toronto ought not to be much more expensive than travelling from JA to either of those cities.

[Me]

regarding your secodn point the MLS comes with TV and merchandising money ... yes we may not be on the priority list but we could at least make a presentation to convince them that we should be. the support of 1 team refers to a craibbean MLS franchise with several jamaican

Charter flights would/could do it the way they do it now, travelling from LA to Toronto ought not to be much more expensive than travelling from JA to either of those cities.

Sure you could make an MLS pitch. The league plans to add three more teams by 2020 with Miami and Atlanta already spoken for. So your investors better think about and plan his stadium/local player proposal from now, then hope the league let them in. Since that is a long shot, I will look at something that is not controlled by MLS, but Jamaicans.

As for travel, you are wrongly informed. The MLS doesn't allow Charter flights apart from two roundtrips. The "Caribbean" team would have the highest travel bill by far.
By the way, what % of the Canadian MLS teams are Canadian?

[Gamma]

depends on what you mean....

are there more canadians in the MLS than jamaicans e.g.?

it is not that i totally disagree with you, but I do not see the funding to sustain 8 professional teams in Jamaica for 3-5 years without get some ROI...just not seeing that.

plus POCA is in full effect now ....

[Me]

Vancouver Whitecaps have Bryce Alderson, Russell Teibert, Mackenzie Pridham and Sam Adekugbe on their roster. Tiebert is the only one who has had significant minutes.
Montreal Impact has Patrice Bernier, Karl Ouimette, Maxime Crépeau, Zakaria Messoudi, Maxim Tissot, Wandrille Lefèvre. Bernier is the only one who gets quality minutes.
Toronto FC has Ashtone Morgan, Kyle Bekker, Dwayne De Rosario, Jonathan Osorio, Manny Aparici, Quillan Roberts, Jordan Hamilton , Doneil Henry and Emery Welshman. Osorio is the only one to have logged a lot of minutes. DeRosario just returned to the team and will also, but he is on his last. Jordan Hamilton is a much hyped youngster, so maybe he will also and Bekker should be better this year.

MLS limits the amount of International players you can have. Canadian clubs, and only Canadian clubs are allowed to treat Canadian and American players as domestic (likely rule to apply to this dream Caribbean franchise), but Canadians are international players on the American teams. So what would likely happen if we have a franchise, is that we would only see a few more Jamaican players playing in the MLS. So for all this cost, Jamaica barely gets any benefit. Hopefully there would be some academy benefit over the long term.

I don't see why we can't have some return for a pro league , especially since we need nothing more than some basic facilities with regards to stands. Boys Town moved some of their games to STETHs and was able to get more in receipts than the expenses of them playing at that location. Rivoli's cost is $60,000 for a game and they currently get $35,000 in revenue (just 150 people if you charge $200) for a game against a decent team when they play in Spanish Town. They have move some games to St Ann (leading scorer Devon Hodges is from there) because they collect enough there to cover what they are charged.

The biggest problem with professionalism at these clubs is in the human resources dept.

[Gamma]

i just cannot see it being sustained for more than 2-3 years without making any kind of profit.

right now clubs are lucky to break even and the players arent even that well paid, if they are paid on time or even at all.

the MLS franchise thing could benefit us in the medium to long run

[Me]

MLS franchise is your dream or hoping they let us in. Someting has to be done while that dream remains a dream and we continue to beg them to let us in, so that we can get 3 players into the franchise. What a thing if UB40 take those local spots. LOL

Harbour View is already close to where they need to be in terms of infrastructure
Portmore will be playing in Portland in a couple of months
Arnett has the facility to collect adequate amounts
A game was played at STETHs and allowed Boys Town to collect sufficiently
Mobay is on the right path towards professionalism.

You have to start small and keep moving forward. MLS use to pay some players 11k.

[Don1]

Hmmmm..let's see

Vancouver Whitecaps have Bryce Alderson, Russell Teibert, Mackenzie Pridham and Sam Adekugbe on their roster. Tiebert is the only one who has had significant minutes.
Montreal Impact has Patrice Bernier, Karl Ouimette, Maxime Crépeau, Zakaria Messoudi, Maxim Tissot, Wandrille Lefèvre. Bernier is the only one who gets quality minutes.
Toronto FC has Ashtone Morgan, Kyle Bekker, Dwayne De Rosario, Jonathan Osorio, Manny Aparici, Quillan Roberts, Jordan Hamilton , Doneil Henry and Emery Welshman. Osorio is the only one to have logged a lot of minutes. DeRosario just returned to the team and will also, but he is on his last. Jordan Hamilton is a much hyped youngster, so maybe he will also and Bekker should be better this year.

MLS limits the amount of International players you can have. Canadian clubs, and only Canadian clubs are allowed to treat Canadian and American players as domestic (likely rule to apply to this dream Caribbean franchise), but Canadians are international players on the American teams. So what would likely happen if we have a franchise, is that we would only see a few more Jamaican players playing in the MLS. So for all this cost, Jamaica barely gets any benefit. Hopefully there would be some academy benefit over the long term.

I don't see why we can't have some return for a pro league , especially since we need nothing more than some basic facilities with regards to stands. Boys Town moved some of their games to STETHs and was able to get more in receipts than the expenses of them playing at that location. Rivoli's cost is $60,000 for a game and they currently get $35,000 in revenue (just 150 people if you charge $200) for a game against a decent team when they play in Spanish Town. They have move some games to St Ann (leading scorer Devon Hodges is from there) because they collect enough there to cover what they are charged.

The biggest problem with professionalism at these clubs is in the human resources dept.

Ok...so we have a league history of clubs charging US$2 for entry, 150 spectators @ games and US$350 in game revenue with zero in the TV or merchandise revenue line

I may be wrong but this pitch deck to the MLS might not go over well

[USAF]

MLS Franchise??? I don't see that happening................

1. MLS wants 24 teams by 2020.
2. 19 teams competing in 2014.
3. With the addition of NYCFC & OCSC in 2015, the # will be 21.
4. That leaves 3 spots for Miami, Atlanta, Minneapolis, St. Louis, San Antonio, Austin, Sacramento, & my "sleeper" NY Cosmos.
5. Don Garber has named Miami & Atlanta as 2 preferred expansion teams, & if that happens then you have 6 jostling for 1 spot, before. 2020.

*NY Cosmos is organized, well managed & has money. They won the 2013 NASL Championship (1st. year of competition) & has presented a $400 million privately funded stadium/business development plan......I don't see any team spending $400 million to play in Div. 2.

[Gamma]

My pipe dream...

[Don1]

My pipe dream...

Chillum or Hookah?

[Karl]

I think we should do a slightly modified version of the MLS franchise system. If it were up to me I would keep the following teams.

1Harbour View FC
2Montego Bay United FC
3Waterhouse FC
4Arnett Gardens FC
5Rivoli United FC
6Tivoli Gardens FC
7Portmore United FC
8Sporting Central FC

The following would have to play in a lower league because the area is already represneted or the infrastructure is simply too far behind.

1Cavalier SC
2Humble Lion FC
3Boys Town FC
4August Town FC

I would then add one more team for the St Ann/St Mary/Portland region and put one team in St Elizabeth and keep the league at 10 teams, so that we have less ballers who look like they should not be playing professional football.

Given the politics it isn't feasible, but that is what I would like to see.

The present structure is fine...just raise the level of teaching (coaching) and thus playing at all levels. It matters not what is done if in the end it is the same crappy play.

[Karl]

Conversation continues: CFU states - Caribbean Pro league...

Caribbean Pro league must be sanctioned, says CFU

Sunday, January 26, 2014

KINGSTON, Jamaica (CMC) — The Caribbean Football Union (CFU) has warned that any attempts to stage a professional football league in the region must be sanctioned by relevant governing bodies.

CFU General Secretary Damien Hughes issued the note of caution after two companies, earlier this week, announced plans to start a professional league in September next year.

"For franchises to be set up in countries, they have to go through national associations who have to get sanctioning from CFU, CONCACAF and FIFA," said Hughes.

"And we have not engaged any company anywhere in the world to commence or even explore the commencement of a professional league."

The Caribbean Football Trust Limited, with offices in Florida and Canada, and Concorde Sports Agency, headquartered in Beverly Hills, say the proposed league, dubbed Major League Futbol (MLF), is expected to attract 20 teams from across the region vying for over US$3 million in prize money.

"Anything that is attempted independently is not going to be sustainable and I don't think it is going to be possible," the CFU general secretary stated.

"The constitution of all the member organisations speaks to the processes and the steps and where permission and sanctioning and so on needs to come from."

The organisers say prize monies are expected to grow to US$5 million after the first three years of MLF.

Last year, CONCACAF President Jeffrey Webb announced that a task force is to be established to look at the development of a professional league in the Caribbean.

"A professional league in the region is something that CONCACAF and the CFU entities have said is worth pursuing and exploring," Hughes added.

"So any entity that is desirous of partnering with CFU or CONCACAF in a developmental initiative: The best approach would then be to present such a case to the respective bodies."

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport...s-CFU_15873850