Winnie versus Tappa and ruxology redefined!

[Stonigut]

Winnie three points from four matches.
Tappa two points from six matches.
Bottom line analysis Winnie has been able to get the team to play better together.

Difference playing fundamentally sound defense that keeps you in the game rather than trying to play attacking football when you cannot play sound defense for a full match means four losses in a row.

The true meaning of rux should be the inability to concentrate and play a full 90 minutes of ball. Which means the USA has no rux's on their team as they stole two games both off home teams in the dying minutes of a game, that is Realfootball Bismark style and Jamaica and Panama full of rux's as we let a visiting team steal a game in the dying minutes of the game, we are the jokers.

[Mosiah]

If only wi had beaten Mexico at the Azteca...

[Me]

We played the USA in a game they could care less about and got 2 against us.
We played Honduras at home and got 2 against us.
Costa Rica scored 1 against us at home

Was there something more fundamentally sound about the defense apart from Wes Morgan's passport being processed too late for Tappa but in time for Schaefer?

Now that he has a team and time to work with them, we will be able to see how great (or not) Schaefer is. Nothing much changed about the team. Looked pathetic going forward with McAnuff and McCleary giving away the ball and had static forwards until the last game where Tuffy, Brown and Mattocks were given a chance that the snow ballers were getting before.

[Gamma]

suh brown and mattocks not snow ballers tuh?

[Mosiah]

Not by Stonigut's original definition. By his revised one, they could be considered snowas.

[Mosiah]

Seems like Stonigut will write anything to discredit local players and coaches. I could be wrong (even tho I'm never wrong!).

[Karl]

Re: Difference

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Difference playing fundamentally sound defense that keeps you in the game rather than trying to play attacking football when you cannot play sound defense for a full match means four losses in a row.

Re: Difference between Tappa's and Winnie's Boyz
Do the stats back this up?
How many goals were let in under each coach?

Did Tappa or 'Winnie' Boyz let in more than 2 goals in a match?

How often did each man's defense let in -
a) More than one goal?

b) Let in two goals?

c) Keep a clean sheet?

Just saying it looks like no upgrade on coaching.

The difference may be more on availability of players and replacement of tried players who did not deliver.

One player who made a great difference was Demar Philips. It is no accident that he contributed - made great contributions - to our performances in Mexico, USA and Honduras.

In matches he was not available his absence was noticeable.

Secondly: Je Vaughn Watson's presence was huge!!!!
After Nosworthy' injury Wes Morgan was huge improvement on Jermaine Taylor and Daniel Gordon at the center of defense.

Mariappia/Nosworthy and Mariappia/Wes Brown center back combinations were huge. ...add Demar Philips wide on the left at the back and Doley and that appeared a good unit. The problem is 'practicing' as unit for 3 matches does not cut it. ...that I think gave us the less than stellar results hoped for.

Upfront - The constant chopping and changing meant we had an unsettled and unstable unit. The jump up and down and kick puppa-lick on performances in our final two matches is warranted only as far as POTENTIAL and TALENT was on display as actual performances were poor...very poor.

The forwards lost the ball so often that it appeared to me that they were acting on effort and actually playing for the opponents. No way, no how should professionals not pass the ball to team mate as opposed to often running into and as seen handing same to the opponents. Where was that the easiest way to beat an opponent is 'using a friend/pass to TEAM mate and run by to receive'=pass and move/move and pass.

In our matches under both coaches it was seen that on potential and talent we were not inferior to our opponents...but on TEAM (apologies to those who believe playing TEAM is over-rate) play we deserved our last place position. As practical matter - on results, our coaches, Tappa v Winnie; no better..., no better... (forgot the Jamaican saying!).

[Me]

He has no shame about the way he willing to twist things to support his point.

[Stonigut]

You know yuh wrong Mo! This is not about local verus farin, I am not sure why you all love that argument so much. This is about bottom line results. At the end of the day it is about what actually happened and Winnie took a four game losing streak team and changed the trajectory, there should be no argument that is what happened.

I have always been a Tappa supporter, the whole time, until the Cfu cup showed me a breakdown in the communication lines, as a leader, coach you have to stay connected and relevant to your charges, I don't know why Tappa lost that, something changed along the way and the Cfu was my first indicator, first shot across the bow on that problem.

Local players are good but they have no idea of what real pro ball is like and cannot bring what is necessary to play a number of high level games in sequence and play 90 minutes. They are just not physically, mentally prepared for high intensity ball where discipline and control of self is critical for continued execution. That is why the best of yard must go abroad to compete against other good players. We cannot compare this to track we have been producing world class tracksman from 1940's, we still have not produced a close to world class baller from yard yet, the closest we have come is Barnes. Thus we must go to farin to find the best to step up in class. What so hard to understand in that.

[Don1]

You know yuh wrong Mo! This is not about local verus farin, I am not sure why you all love that argument so much. This is about bottom line results. At the end of the day it is about what actually happened and Winnie took a four game losing streak team and changed the trajectory, there should be no argument that is what happened.

I have always been a Tappa supporter, the whole time, until the Cfu cup showed me a breakdown in the communication lines, as a leader, coach you have to stay connected and relevant to your charges, I don't know why Tappa lost that, something changed along the way and the Cfu was my first indicator, first shot across the bow on that problem.

Local players are good but they have no idea of what real pro ball is like and cannot bring what is necessary to play a number of high level games in sequence and play 90 minutes. They are just not physically, mentally prepared for high intensity ball where discipline and control of self is critical for continued execution. That is why the best of yard must go abroad to compete against other good players. We cannot compare this to track we have been producing world class tracksman from 1940's, we still have not produced a close to world class baller from yard yet, the closest we have come is Barnes. Thus we must go to farin to find the best to step up in class. What so hard to understand in that.

After the consistent failure in your snow strategy where we get the ABSOLUTE WORST outcomes.. yuh still a persist widdis bull crap Stoni?

Mi did tink yuh did ah show likkle progress but yuh ah relapse now

Have you no shame or remorse over the horror show your strategy has orchestrated Stoni?

[Mosiah]

We cannot compare this to track we have been producing world class tracksman from 1940's, we still have not produced a close to world class baller from yard yet, the closest we have come is Barnes. Thus we must go to farin to find the best to step up in class. What so hard to understand in that.

Barnes was not world class?!?! Is this another diss?!?!

[USAF]

He might be focusing on the fact that Barnes was born in Jamaica, BUT he was groomed & developed in England.

[Stonigut]

All I ask is for 90 minutes, is that so hard, not 45, not 47, not 55 not 89 "..... But 90 full minutes, is that so hard to ask, I guess it is when you have pure amateurs on the field, we need gladiators who fight in the Colosseum in Rome not orators Who stand and deliver poetry on the pniki in Athens.

[Stonigut]

Come now, Barnes was a decent generational player, a very good club player in his time, but not world class. The man had a paltry 11 goals in 79 international matches he probably may make the top 500 players in the game which is actually phenomenal but he is nowhere near world class, world class means totally dominant almost unstoppable, a game changer, not a one game changer a every game changer, or every other game changer. Cruyf, beckembaur, pele, maradona, zidane etc.

[Mosiah]

Hey, we have the luxury of making up our criteria as we go along. But if Barnes is not world class then...I guess yuh mark hard! Would love to put that to a vote on this forum!

It is all too easy, Stoni. One could easily show why Tappa outperformed Winnie if that is the point we would like to make. You, for whatever reason, are not interested in that so you will make a case for your boy.