The way forward

[Don1]

ok boss

[Muadib]

Poor Analysis ?

Indicate specifically where my analysis is poor.. not interested in you repeating your analysis...

[Don1]

Mi dun highlight yuh fallacious statement...yuh bline yute???

[Muadib]

Actually you have not.. :-)

Selection of a squad from World Cup qualifying should involve looking at all players eligible to play for the country...

How they are integrated and what they are integrated into is a separate issue..

It is not the Player Diaspora's fault that local development is stunted..

The higher the level local development and play.. the higher the quality of Diaspora that will make themselves available..

[Don1]

Yuteman ...All now yuh nh realize seh mi naw dispute dat?? But ah wha dis Faada??

Selection of a squad from World Cup qualifying should involve looking at all players eligible to play for the country...
How they are integrated and what they are integrated into is a separate issue

Dat so-called separate issue (and its effects) is what I'm taking issue wid .... since to me it's clearly a critical point of failure

My premise: To build a consistent, cohesive, compact and efficient team core....players MUST be available for long durations. Logic dictates that local players are the only ones that fit that requirement for a cohesive core. It's better to have a cohesive core of locals than a last minute injection of Englishmen accustomed to playing tennis in snow imho....That approach has failed.

Foreigners who commit early can be employed to fill holes in the core and for squad backups. That is precisely the integration moggle that worked in 1998.

Look like unnu believe in re-inventing di wheel lang afta di inventor dun show nnu ow tings werk

[Muadib]

Is yuh seh my analysis is wrang...

Mi haffi karreck yuh...

[Don1]

mi tell yuh seh yuh analysis ah fi mi position based pon one wrang premise... suh mi haffi straiten dat out

[Muadib]

yuh assume seh mi ah analyze your position... yuh wrang..

read mi statement again.. I am making a point.. why yuh suh defensive ?

[Don1]

LOL...suh yuh respond tuh mi meticulously reasoned position widout analysis???

Hmmm...now mi si di prablem

[Muadib]

I added an element you left out...

[Don1]

ok boss....many tanks

[Paul Marin]

Your analysis is faulty yuteman. I neither stated nor implied this.

Jamaica's core problem as I have stated repeatedly is a failure to build an effective youth system at club and national levels 8-18 y.o. This has meant that Jamaica's football has not progressed meaningfully since 1998.

Jamaica has managed to paper over that huge development crack and remain occasionally competitive with the leading CONCACAF teams by importing players...many of whom have never previously visited the country and much more....never played there. This has become Jamaica's default development "strategy". It is clearly a failure. Unfortunately Jamaica measures "football development" as identical to "World Cup qualification" ...this is a critical failure of vision. WC qualification should be a PRODUCT of development. So we as usual place the cart before the horse

This foreign cohort because of the very limited time element demonstrably CANNOT create a consistently cohesive TEAM even if the talent/experience level is superior to local players and may even be sufficient to be in the top 3-4 regional teams (given time)....we don't have the time with that group to gell nor are they exceptional players who can make an instant impact.

So what we have is the worst of 2 worlds..... negative local development and negative WC qualification. That script should be flipped to de-emphasize the hurry-come-up goal of WC qualification via the ersatz foreign team route and emphasize local development and local players as the core of the team....even if it means not qualifying for the next WC. We are "not qualifying" anyway....and to add salt to the wound...also not exposing many local players to higher level play

When the local core is exposed internationally over 2 years or so then any holes can be filled with foreign players who declare early and show commitment....that's the lesson of 1998 which Jamaica has ignored. That nonsensical rush to import players at the last minute....that's just beyond comical as a method to build a team

It's just logic yuteman...

Don1 - so what role do you see the foreign-born Jamaicans playing in our teams under your model? 2018 is only 4.5 years away, it is hardly likely that a long term program of the kind you're advocating will take effect in time to influence our chances of qualification for that tournament. I think any program we develop has to (as Muadib says) factor in all available player resources but also (as you are advocating) be developed from within. I personally don't think they are mutually exclusive and it stands to reason that we should use the diaspora to our advantage. So again, what role do you see for the foreign-born players?

[Don1]

I believe the foreign-based yardies have an integral role...but to me only the few who commit early and show the interest... measured by the time they spend with the program.... most will find that barrier too high as they would want to wait until it's convenient for them.... i.e. close to the Hex

To facilitate that foreign group games & mini camps in England perhaps should be part of the planning. That's expensive...but probably less than floating a MLS team The last minute insertion of foreign-based players who have never even played in JA is ridiculous...unless it's an A player.

But a local based core is indispensable for cohesion and to build the vibes... mek the Office a fortress once again

[Muadib]

A local based core ???

Hmm.. which teams would this 'local based core' be playing for as professionals ?

[Don1]

Jamaica National Club