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    Beckenbauer the National Team Manager
    Despite his superb record as a player, the appointment of Franz Beckenbauer as West German team manager in July 1984 caused a lot of raised eyebrows. It is unusual, to say the least, for anyone to begin a career in football team management with a job as manager of a national team. But when West Germany had a disappointing campaign in the 1984 European Championships, team manager Jupp Derwall was ousted and the German FA turned to Beckenbauer. His first task was to guide the West German team to the finals of the 1986 World Cup in Mexico. They achieved that fairly comfortably, losing only one game in the qualifying tournament.

    West Germany's progress in the 1986 World Cup was sometimes a little uncertain. They struggled through to the second round, losing one group game to Denmark, and then took 86 minutes to score the one goal that beat Morocco. In the quarter-finals, they and Mexico played two hours of goalless football before West Germany finally progressed courtesy of a penalty shoot-out. But in the semi-finals, Beckenbauer's team won a more convincing victory over France, goals from Andreas Brehme and Rudi Voller giving them a 2-0 win.

    Argentina dominated much of the 1986 World Cup final, and led West Germany 2-0 with less than 20 minutes to go. Then the German team produced a determined comeback. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge made it 2-1 in the 74th minute, and six minutes later Voller equalised. It seemed as though Franz Beckenbauer's team might win football's biggest prize in his first tournament as a team manager. Then, with seven minutes left, a superb pass from Diego Maradona set up Jose Burruchuga to score the winning goal for Argentina.

    West Germany were the host nation for the 1988 European Championships. They progressed through the first round group stage of the competition easily enough, but were beaten 2-1 by the Netherlands in the semi-final, with Marco van Basten scoring a dramatic 89th-minute winner for the Netherlands. The Dutch side went on to win the trophy, beating the Soviet Union 2-0 in the final.

    Fortunately, the West German FA kept faith with Franz, and he remained in charge as the West German team began their 1990 World Cup campaign. Their progress through the qualifying tournament was steady rather than sensational, but they finally finished second in their group behind the Netherlands, enough to earn a place at the World Cup finals in Italy.

    West Germany got through the first round in Italy fairly comfortably, and the second round brought another meeting with the Netherlands. This time the West Germans won 2-1, with goals from Juergen Klinsmann and Andreas Brehme. Then a tense game against Czechoslovakia was won 1-0 thanks to a Matthaus penalty, and the West Germans were through to the semi-finals. There, they would face another traditional rival: England.

    The semi-final was goalless until the 60th minute, when a deflected shot from Andreas Brehme looped over England goalkeeper Peter Shilton and dropped just under the bar. But then, with 10 of the 90 minutes left, Gary Lineker scored for England, and the game went into extra time. No more goals were scored, and so the semi-final went to a penalty shoot-out. Both teams converted their first three penalties, and then West German goalkeeper Bodo Illgner saved Stuart Pearce's spot kick. Olaf Thon scored with the West Germans' fourth penalty, meaning that Chris Waddle had to score to keep England's hopes alive. He missed, and Franz Beckenbauer had led West Germany to the World Cup final for the second time.

    For neutral observers, the 1990 World Cup final between West Germany and Argentina was not a particularly edifying spectacle. It was a bad-tempered, scrappy match. Beckenbauer had organised the West German defence superbly, and Argentina's tackles and tactics became more and more desperate as the game progressed and the Germans frustrated them. Tempers frayed, and there was the first-ever sending off in a World Cup final when Argentina's Pedro Monzon was shown the red card in the 65th minute.
    Rather appropriately, the decisive goal came from a disputed penalty, awarded to West Germany with five minutes to go and converted by Andreas Brehme. Argentina weren't able to equalise, but they did manage to get another player sent off in the short time remaining, Gustavo Dezotti following Monzon off the field.

    West Germany kept Argentina's nine men at bay for the remaining minutes, and won the game 1-0. It may have been a disappointing final, but that hardly diminished the team manager's achievement. Franz Beckenbauer had won the World Cup as a player in 1974, and now he'd won the Cup again as a manager.

    Back to Bayern
    Having won the ultimate prize in international football team management, Franz decided to quit while he was on top, and gave up the West Germany team manager's job. But he couldn't stay away from football management altogether. His first job as a club manager was with the French team Olympique Marseilles. Then he got the chance to return to the club where he'd first made his name as a player.

    Once again, the combination of Franz Beckenbauer and Bayern Munich proved to be successful. Bayern were champions of the Bundesliga in 1994. Two years later they won the UEFA Cup, comfortably beating Bordeaux of France by an aggregate score of 5-1 in the two-legged final. Franz Beckenbauer then 'moved upstairs' to become president of Bayern Munich.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/dna/place-lanc.../plain/A773732


    West Germany - During Franz Beckenbauer's period as Manager there was no FIFA Ranking - introduced Dec. 1992 - however, Germany could be considered as never being out of the top 5 national teams.

    Germany's current FIFA Ranking - http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/ran...ble/index.html

    Germany FIFA Ranking 2004-2013
    - http://en.fifaranking.net/nations/deu/ranking_d.php
    Last edited by Karl; June 10, 2013, 12:15 PM.
    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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    Thoedore "Tappa" Whitmore as manager - (needs updating)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor...e#As_a_manager

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Whitmore

    Jamaica's FIFA Ranking - http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/ran...ble/index.html

    FIFA Ranking when Tappa first came on board -
    Historical Chart
    - http://en.fifaranking.net/nations/ja...g_d.php?d=2013
    Last edited by Karl; June 10, 2013, 12:16 PM.
    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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    • #3
      Now I see why posters respond to your posts so harshly.

      You must have lost your ever lovin' mind, if you are trying to put Tappa & Beckenbauer in the same class. The experience & exposure both had, going into coaching/managing, are MILES apart.
      Beckenbauer: Played for & captained one of the elite clubs in the world, and won European Championships. Played for & captained one of the elite countries in world football, and placed 1st, 2nd & 3rd in WC competitions. He is regarded as one of the greatest footballers of all time & credited with revolutionizing the sweeper position, as well as respected for his leadership on & off the field.
      Whitmore: He had one good game at the '98WC, scoring 2 goals. Played professionally a few years in the English 3rd division.....I may be wrong but wasn't he coaching Seba when they got relegated, for the first time, from the Jamaican Premiere League???

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      • #4
        Originally posted by USAF View Post
        .I may be wrong but wasn't he coaching Seba when they got relegated, for the first time, from the Jamaican Premiere League???
        Yes, you are wrong. They were relegated before that as the formerly dominant club was now just a struggling relegation contender. That was their second relegation in 5 years.

        In Tappa's first full season the team missed out on the end of first round final by one point. After that, he got assigned as the interim coach of the National team and then assistant coach when Simoes came and was largely away from Montego Bay and the club. Not surprisingly, the team's results went downhill and they ended up getting relegated.

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        • #5
          2 of the links Karl posted, had him as the manager when Seba got relegated, & stated that it was their first time.

          Thanks for the correction.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by USAF View Post
            Now I see why posters respond to your posts so harshly.

            You must have lost your ever lovin' mind, if you are trying to put Tappa & Beckenbauer in the same class. The experience & exposure both had, going into coaching/managing, are MILES apart.
            Beckenbauer: Played for & captained one of the elite clubs in the world, and won European Championships. Played for & captained one of the elite countries in world football, and placed 1st, 2nd & 3rd in WC competitions. He is regarded as one of the greatest footballers of all time & credited with revolutionizing the sweeper position, as well as respected for his leadership on & off the field.
            Whitmore: He had one good game at the '98WC, scoring 2 goals. Played professionally a few years in the English 3rd division.....I may be wrong but wasn't he coaching Seba when they got relegated, for the first time, from the Jamaican Premiere League???
            As I said, we would not accept you in Shady Pines.

            Let me spell it out for you - Beckenbauer went into a situation whereby the players were TOP OF WORLD and the German team was TOP OF THE WORLD quality...it was for him to to take it to winning tournaments. Even as that was the aim, the football culture was one where winning the ultimate prize was not out of the ordinary.

            Tappa on the other hand went into a situation where even in the low level CONCACAF his team was considered to have an outside chance of advancing in the World Cup qualifiying tournament. Highly qualified TOP OF THE WORLD TDs & Coaches had failed dismally to mold the less than average players into passable TEAM.

            ...then there was also the different financial and structural administrative environment within which each man operated.

            Beckenbauer wanted for nothing. His every wish was met.

            Tappa could not get one thing he wished for. He had to accept what was given...bottom of the barrel facilities, number of matches, quality of opponents, etc., etc.

            No one suggested...or stated that the 'schools' where each man gathered knowledge and experience was equal. Fact is, the argument - forget the known reality of each man's football background which was inferred - made suggested that Beckenbauer went to TOP OF THE WORLD 'schools' and 'worked' in TOP OF THE WORLD 'corporations' where save for being in the first elimination round of World Cup '98, Tappa did not.

            It is in light of the referenced inequalities that the outcomes were being asked to be judged. That is what I pointed you to.

            Repeat: I did not suggest that each gentleman had equal experience and first-hand knowledge.

            As I said, we would not accept you in Shady Pines!
            "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by USAF View Post
              Whitmore: He had one good game at the '98WC, scoring 2 goals. Played professionally a few years in the English 3rd division.....
              4th division when you include the Premier League.
              "Donovan was excellent. We knew he was a good player, but he really didn't do anything wrong in the whole game and made it difficult for us."
              - Xavi

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              • #8
                Unfortunately wiki is typically inaccurate for our Jamaican players and coaches. Seba returned to the Premier League in the 2005/06 season. Here is a link to an article when they were playing to get qualified.

                http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/2...s/sports3.html

                The man who likes to call for Whitmore's dismissal, Geoffery Maxwell, was coaching Seba and they were in the relegation zone. He got fired and player coach Whitmore saved their 2006/2007 season. After that, Bora invited him to be a part of his coaching staff at the national team and he declined.

                2007/08 hew was appointed as coach and was then very good until Captain Burrell brought him to Kingston and he was juggling both jobs.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Karl View Post
                  As I said, we would not accept you in Shady Pines.

                  Let me spell it out for you - Beckenbauer went into a situation whereby the players were TOP OF WORLD and the German team was TOP OF THE WORLD quality...it was for him to to take it to winning tournaments. Even as that was the aim, the football culture was one where winning the ultimate prize was not out of the ordinary.

                  Tappa on the other hand went into a situation where even in the low level CONCACAF his team was considered to have an outside chance of advancing in the World Cup qualifiying tournament. Highly qualified TOP OF THE WORLD TDs & Coaches had failed dismally to mold the less than average players into passable TEAM.

                  ...then there was also the different financial and structural administrative environment within which each man operated.

                  Beckenbauer wanted for nothing. His every wish was met.

                  Tappa could not get one thing he wished for. He had to accept what was given...bottom of the barrel facilities, number of matches, quality of opponents, etc., etc.

                  No one suggested...or stated that the 'schools' where each man gathered knowledge and experience was equal. Fact is, the argument - forget the known reality of each man's football background which was inferred - made suggested that Beckenbauer went to TOP OF THE WORLD 'schools' and 'worked' in TOP OF THE WORLD 'corporations' where save for being in the first elimination round of World Cup '98, Tappa did not.

                  It is in light of the referenced inequalities that the outcomes were being asked to be judged. That is what I pointed you to.

                  Repeat: I did not suggest that each gentleman had equal experience and first-hand knowledge.

                  As I said, we would not accept you in Shady Pines!
                  The bottomline is in my humble opinion, Tappa have enough quality in the players available to him to do better. There is too much experimenting and uncertainty around the squad for my liking. There is no clear thought process to how Tappa does things and that is the main problem. The campaign started promisingly away to Mexico all Tappa had to do was build on that.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dunny View Post
                    The bottomline is in my humble opinion, Tappa have enough quality in the players available to him to do better.
                    Does he? He has to pick his wingbacks from Doyley, Virgo, Palmer, Campbell, Powell. He has to pick a partner for Mariappa from Gordon, Phinn, Reid etc?
                    Forwards? Robinson, Johnson, Shelton, Tuffy....

                    Except on the flanks, we seem to be the weakest in the HEX? And the majority of English based players the JFF seems to be attracting are the same level as what we had before the recruiting

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Me View Post
                      Does he? He has to pick his wingbacks from Doyley, Virgo, Palmer, Campbell, Powell. He has to pick a partner for Mariappa from Gordon, Phinn, Reid etc?
                      Forwards? Robinson, Johnson, Shelton, Tuffy....

                      Except on the flanks, we seem to be the weakest in the HEX? And the majority of English based players the JFF seems to be attracting are the same level as what we had before the recruiting
                      Is that right, So why bother recruiting then? Either way Tappa is to blame, he has been the manager for a few years so he recruited the players in the positions that he thought needed strengthening. Tappa have no excuses!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dunny View Post
                        The bottomline is in my humble opinion, Tappa have enough quality in the players available to him to do better. There is too much experimenting and uncertainty around the squad for my liking. There is no clear thought process to how Tappa does things and that is the main problem. The campaign started promisingly away to Mexico all Tappa had to do was build on that.
                        I totally agree with you that the squad has the quality to be made into a TEAM that could qualify...but to be fair no coach should be asked to commence making TEAM in the midst of a completion. That 'commencing' should have been under way long before these Hex matches. Here the 'well oiled' TEAM should be on show. Fine tunings at this stage should be as players become unavailable due to injury, 'accumulation of cards' or adjustments as to opponent being played (match management adjustments) or preparation as in match strategy for upcoming match.

                        The entire character of TEAM-play should have looooooooong ago been in place. I cannot in good conscience blame Tappa for not having the squad for at least 2 years previous to these Hex matches.

                        Say it again - Going into these matches with the lack of preparation our JFF has now made 'their plan' is nonsense!!!
                        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                        • #13
                          Even if Tappa had all his players playing in the Top 4 leagues in the world, Jamaica would be in trouble, because his inexperience is clear for everyone to see. Tactically & strategically he is lost......he doesn't even have adequate reserves, which shows his inability to select a good squad.
                          If you think it's easy to coach & manage a team full of "star" players, then you're sadly mistaken. Just keeping those egos in check is a job unto itself.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Karl View Post
                            I totally agree with you that the squad has the quality to be made into a TEAM that could qualify...but to be fair no coach should be asked to commence making TEAM in the midst of a completion. That 'commencing' should have been under way long before these Hex matches. Here the 'well oiled' TEAM should be on show. Fine tunings at this stage should be as players become unavailable due to injury, 'accumulation of cards' or adjustments as to opponent being played (match management adjustments) or preparation as in match strategy for upcoming match.

                            The entire character of TEAM-play should have looooooooong ago been in place. I cannot in good conscience blame Tappa for not having the squad for at least 2 years previous to these Hex matches.

                            Say it again - Going into these matches with the lack of preparation our JFF has now made 'their plan' is nonsense!!!
                            Karl, I have lost patience with Tappa, his tactics, team selection and substitutions during games tells me that he is clueless.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dunny View Post
                              Karl, I have lost patience with Tappa, his tactics, team selection and substitutions during games tells me that he is clueless.
                              OK!
                              ...so if he is clueless you must think his previous successes were 'buck-up'?
                              ...in any case, cannot but accept your position as 'as you see it'. Respek!
                              "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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