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    should read the views of this Arsenal fan.

    Misguided Arsenal fans who booed Man Utd’s van Persie are missing the point

    As I watched Robin van Persie celebrate his first ever title win at Old Trafford last week, I couldn’t help but feel happy for him. The joy on his face as he smiled and waved at the fans on his lap of honour was there for all to see. As befits a world class player, he had a league winners medal at last and was playing in a team commensurate with his talents alongside legends such as Rooney, Ferdinand and Giggs.

    If such a scenario was possible at Arsenal he would’ve stayed. If he thought for one second he could do a lap of honour at the Emirates instead of Old Trafford, and be all smiles as he hugged Wenger instead of Fergie, he’d have signed a new contract with us.

    I was as upset as the next fan when he left but I understood his reasons. He called Arsenal unambitious and I had to agree — after all, it was a combination of continually selling our best players (despite having £120m in the bank) and high ticket prices that prompted me to give up my season ticket last summer.

    He was predictably slated by angry fans and bloggers calling him a judas and accusing him of moving for the money. In cyberspace people were writing his name as ‘van P€r$ie’ as they presumably believed he should’ve sacrificed the best years of his career to fight for fourth place every season out of a misguided sense of loyalty.

    The truth is this — van Persie had reached the age of 29 and won nothing. In recent seasons key players such as Nasri, Fabregas, Adebayor, Toure and Clichy were sold to generate money that wasn’t invested back in the playing staff. He looked around him on the training ground and instead saw Ramsey, Squillacci, Arshavin, Chamakh, Djourou and Fabianski. How was this squad full of youngsters and cheap signings ever going to win the title?

    He had just had the season of his life and was at his peak — it was now or never if he was going to get a move to a club where he could realise his dream and win trophies. Having lost faith in Wenger to deliver (witness his famous “No!” reaction when Wenger stupidly hauled off Oxlade-Chamberlain against Man Utd) he realised he needed to move.

    What’s wrong with that? Of course he got a pay increase as Man Utd have a bigger wage budget, but does he really deserve to be booed for wanting out of an unambitious club to try and win some silverware before he retires?

    Compare the van Persie saga with that of Adebayor — now there’s a man who deserves to be booed. Adebayor worked hard during his time at Arsenal in order to secure a big move, openly courting Milan and Barcelona before signing a bumper contract renewal after holding the club to ransom. Just a year later though he wanted to move again and this time the fed-up board cashed in on him, selling him to Man City.



    Is this really someone celebrating a pay rise?
    He played well for a season but then became complacent. After all, he had his big wages now so why bother continuing to put a shift in every week? He quickly fell out of favour and somehow blagged a loan move to Real Madrid. Again he was impressive as the possibility of a permanent contract motivated him, but it never materialised. So he was loaned to Spurs the following season and played out of his skin, bagging 18 goals and 12 assists as he looked for a permanent contract which AVB handed him last summer. He was awarded a £4m signing on fee to compensate for his wages being reduced from £170k a week at Man City to £100k with Spurs and given a nice long contract until 2015. Kerr-ching!

    Content with his new deal, Adebayor quickly fell into the comfort zone at White Hart Lane and so far this season has turned in dozens of lazy, inept performances, only managing six goals and not a single assist.

    Now this is a man who deserves to have his name written as Ad€bayor — a true mercenary only interested in money. Does that sound like van Persie, who has been on fire for the whole season, playing his heart out every week to achieve his dream of lifting the Premiership trophy?

    Which brings me to yesterday’s match and the reception he received. First of all, the guard of honour is a sign of respect to the new champions and the fact that some Gooners tainted it by booing van Persie as he walked out smacked of a lack of class.

    RVP was then booed for his first few touches, but after scoring he remained calm and showed respect for Arsenal and the same fans who were booing him by not celebrating. He did the same at Old Trafford when he scored, unlike Adebayor of course, who ran the length of the pitch to slide on his knees and goad the Gooners after his first goal against us.

    So I’m at a loss as to why our former captain, who gave everything every time he pulled on our shirt, was shown no respect. He moved to win trophies which we weren’t interested in competing for, not money, so I don’t see the problem. He cannot be accused of being disloyal because Arsenal refused to match his ambition and forced his hand. If anything Wenger let him down by asset stripping the team in order to put money in the bank and surrounding him with the likes of Jenkinson, Diaby, Park, Benayoun and Santos.

    Don’t boo van Persie for wanting to play for a club which tries to win trophies — boo the board/Wenger for neglecting the team so badly that not one of our players made the PFA Team of the Year for the first time in four years.

    If you booed van Persie or think it’s right he was booed, I’d love to know why in the comments. I’d also say you need to ask yourself this pertinent question: What type of club sells their captain and best player to their big rivals? The answer is an unambitious one which prioritises profits over trophies. Arsenal were only too happy to accept £24m for a 29 year old because it made financial sense, no matter how good he was, and they didn’t care that it virtually handed the title on a plate to a team most of us loathe.

    Ironically, by selling van Persie to a club who they claim to be competing with, Arsenal demonstrated exactly why he wanted to leave. If you think it’s anything else you are kidding yourself.

    http://www.oohtobeagooner.com/misgui...ing-the-point/
    Last edited by Lazie; April 29, 2013, 12:56 PM.
    "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

  • #2
    Originally posted by Lazie View Post
    should read the views of this Arsenal fan.

    Misguided Arsenal fans who booed Man Utd’s van Persie are missing the point

    As I watched Robin van Persie celebrate his first ever title win at Old Trafford last week, I couldn’t help but feel happy for him. The joy on his face as he smiled and waved at the fans on his lap of honour was there for all to see. As befits a world class player, he had a league winners medal at last and was playing in a team commensurate with his talents alongside legends such as Rooney, Ferdinand and Giggs.

    If such a scenario was possible at Arsenal he would’ve stayed. If he thought for one second he could do a lap of honour at the Emirates instead of Old Trafford, and be all smiles as he hugged Wenger instead of Fergie, he’d have signed a new contract with us.

    I was as upset as the next fan when he left but I understood his reasons. He called Arsenal unambitious and I had to agree — after all, it was a combination of continually selling our best players (despite having £120m in the bank) and high ticket prices that prompted me to give up my season ticket last summer.

    He was predictably slated by angry fans and bloggers calling him a judas and accusing him of moving for the money. In cyberspace people were writing his name as ‘van P€r$ie’ as they presumably believed he should’ve sacrificed the best years of his career to fight for fourth place every season out of a misguided sense of loyalty. (Paul Marin please take note)

    The truth is this — van Persie had reached the age of 29 and won nothing. In recent seasons key players such as Nasri, Fabregas, Adebayor, Toure and Clichy were sold to generate money that wasn’t invested back in the playing staff. He looked around him on the training ground and instead saw Ramsey, Squillacci, Arshavin, Chamakh, Djourou and Fabianski. How was this squad full of youngsters and cheap signings(Dunny please take note) ever going to win the title?

    He had just had the season of his life and was at his peak — it was now or never if he was going to get a move to a club where he could realise his dream and win trophies. Having lost faith in Wenger to deliver (witness his famous “No!” reaction when Wenger stupidly hauled off Oxlade-Chamberlain against Man Utd) he realised he needed to move.

    What’s wrong with that? Of course he got a pay increase as Man Utd have a bigger wage budget, but does he really deserve to be booed for wanting out of an unambitious club to try and win some silverware before he retires?

    Compare the van Persie saga with that of Adebayor — now there’s a man who deserves to be booed. Adebayor worked hard during his time at Arsenal in order to secure a big move, openly courting Milan and Barcelona before signing a bumper contract renewal after holding the club to ransom. Just a year later though he wanted to move again and this time the fed-up board cashed in on him, selling him to Man City.



    Is this really someone celebrating a pay rise?
    He played well for a season but then became complacent. After all, he had his big wages now so why bother continuing to put a shift in every week? He quickly fell out of favour and somehow blagged a loan move to Real Madrid. Again he was impressive as the possibility of a permanent contract motivated him, but it never materialised. So he was loaned to Spurs the following season and played out of his skin, bagging 18 goals and 12 assists as he looked for a permanent contract which AVB handed him last summer. He was awarded a £4m signing on fee to compensate for his wages being reduced from £170k a week at Man City to £100k with Spurs and given a nice long contract until 2015. Kerr-ching!

    Content with his new deal, Adebayor quickly fell into the comfort zone at White Hart Lane and so far this season has turned in dozens of lazy, inept performances, only managing six goals and not a single assist.

    Now this is a man who deserves to have his name written as Ad€bayor — a true mercenary only interested in money. Does that sound like van Persie, who has been on fire for the whole season, playing his heart out every week to achieve his dream of lifting the Premiership trophy?

    Which brings me to yesterday’s match and the reception he received. First of all, the guard of honour is a sign of respect to the new champions and the fact that some Gooners tainted it by booing van Persie as he walked out smacked of a lack of class.

    RVP was then booed for his first few touches, but after scoring he remained calm and showed respect for Arsenal and the same fans who were booing him by not celebrating. He did the same at Old Trafford when he scored, unlike Adebayor of course, who ran the length of the pitch to slide on his knees and goad the Gooners after his first goal against us.

    So I’m at a loss as to why our former captain, who gave everything every time he pulled on our shirt, was shown no respect. He moved to win trophies which we weren’t interested in competing for, not money, so I don’t see the problem. He cannot be accused of being disloyal because Arsenal refused to match his ambition and forced his hand. If anything Wenger let him down by asset stripping (Arsne Romney???) the team in order to put money in the bank and surrounding him with the likes of Jenkinson, Diaby, Park, Benayoun and Santos.

    Don’t boo van Persie for wanting to play for a club which tries to win trophies — boo the board/Wenger for neglecting the team so badly that not one of our players made the PFA Team of the Year for the first time in four years.

    If you booed van Persie or think it’s right he was booed, I’d love to know why in the comments. I’d also say you need to ask yourself this pertinent question: What type of club sells their captain and best player to their big rivals? The answer is an unambitious one which prioritises profits over trophies. Arsenal were only too happy to accept £24m for a 29 year old because it made financial sense, no matter how good he was, and they didn’t care that it virtually handed the title on a plate to a team most of us loathe.

    Ironically, by selling van Persie to a club who they claim to be competing with, Arsenal demonstrated exactly why he wanted to leave. If you think it’s anything else you are kidding yourself.

    http://www.oohtobeagooner.com/misgui...ing-the-point/



    Mr. President I made a few correction to your post.
    Hey .. look at the bright side .... at least you're not a Liverpool fan! - Lazie 2/24/10 Paul Marin -19 is one thing, 20 is a whole other matter. It gets even worse if they win the UCL. *groan*. 05/18/2011.MU fans naah cough, but all a unuh a vomit?-Lazie 1/11/2015

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    • #3
      Thank you Sir!
      "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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      • #4
        fair enough he is still a traitor.

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        • #5
          Good article...and I agree with every word.
          ...and Van Persie should not have been boooed but given a polite handclap!!!! When he was not injuried he served us well!

          btw - Perhaps Ramsey could be spared from being lumped with the duds...still he cannot remain composed in front of goal to save his life!!!
          "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Karl View Post
            Good article...and I agree with every word.
            ...and Van Persie should not have been boooed but given a polite handclap!!!! When he was not injuried he served us well!
            Karl, gwaan ah yuh bed !
            Sunday, August 28th, 2011. We will never forget !!

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            • #7
              Said, it before Twan!
              http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/s...lap#post420261
              "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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              • #8
                Karl, the youth injured for 6 of the 7 years, gave us 1 good year and lef !!

                he forgot the times he was injured and we still renewed his contract because we believed in him, and never cast him aside !!

                KMDT !
                Sunday, August 28th, 2011. We will never forget !!

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                • #9
                  will Wegner spend this summer?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Skeng DX View Post
                    will Wegner spend this summer?
                    That is like asking "Is the Pope catholic?" There is zero question that Wenger will spend. He realizes that the teams around him are breaking the bank so he needs to spend to avoid the disastrous effects of falling out of the UCL. He may still fall out this season if he is not careful.
                    "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

                    X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Paul Marin View Post
                      That is like asking "Is the Pope catholic?" There is zero question that Wenger will spend. He realizes that the teams around him are breaking the bank so he needs to spend to avoid the disastrous effects of falling out of the UCL. He may still fall out this season if he is not careful.
                      In one sense - He does not need to 'spend'.

                      Gunners has - http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/fc...verein_11.html

                      How many are duds and what can he recoup for them?
                      ...and can the funds recouped get him excellent players to round out a vastly superior TEAM in terms of 'guts'...and 'real quality' at each of the positions needed?

                      I think so.
                      First consider this, the current squad had the talent to compete for 2012/2013 title. It drew matches with EPL squads that it should have destroyed. ...and lost to others that it could have won e.g. both matches against BoyU.

                      Wenger is at fault for not having his 2012/13 TEAM come out of the gate flying! He should not cause that to happen again.

                      Sagna gave away this last BoyU match...but both himself and Mertesacker freeze when pressured and during that freeze each plays the fool.

                      In that pressured situation Sagna was a wreck waiting to happen. He is still a wreck waiting to happen. Otherwise TOP OF THE WORLD defender...but????

                      Mertesacker falls in the same boat plus he is slow as can be and cannot jump to save his life. Notice after Sagna's mistake...he could not take the few steps quickly enough to get to the ball or to cut off Van Persie. A toddler could have run those few steps to the ball in a heartbeat.

                      If Wenger cannot make him faster across the ground and get him to jump at least he can work on having him pass off faster when pressured...Christ???

                      Why is each still making that same mistake (freezing and making silly desperate passes) repeatedly? Where is the coach?

                      Aside: Said it last year, Dunny - Get rid of Theo Walcott. We one short on defense every time he is on the field...and he gives us use of his pace only when he feels like it (Cannot depend on him to put in a good shift every match)...and get a real top quality winger to complement 'The Ox'.

                      Get rid Gervinho - fast!!!! Notice he came on in the BoyU match and ducked under every high ball that came to him thereby gifting BoyU possession...besides he just does not know how to kick a ball! ...just two among many we need to dump!!! ...and fast!!!!
                      Last edited by Karl; April 29, 2013, 09:38 PM.
                      "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                      • #12
                        [does not know how to kick a ball] or control it !

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                        • #13
                          Karl I see Wegner running off his mouth 'bout him not selling any more players to the Empire. Class clown to rathid. Arsenal don't have one world class player in their squad for even a small team like Loserfool would want to poach. The Gunners need an overhaul. Wegner continues to be cheap and thus he gets exactly what he pays for.
                          Hey .. look at the bright side .... at least you're not a Liverpool fan! - Lazie 2/24/10 Paul Marin -19 is one thing, 20 is a whole other matter. It gets even worse if they win the UCL. *groan*. 05/18/2011.MU fans naah cough, but all a unuh a vomit?-Lazie 1/11/2015

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Karl View Post
                            In one sense - He does not need to 'spend'.

                            Gunners has - http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/fc...verein_11.html

                            How many are duds and what can he recoup for them?
                            ...and can the funds recouped get him excellent players to round out a vastly superior TEAM in terms of 'guts'...and 'real quality' at each of the positions needed?

                            I think so.
                            First consider this, the current squad had the talent to compete for 2012/2013 title. It drew matches with EPL squads that it should have destroyed. ...and lost to others that it could have won e.g. both matches against BoyU.

                            Wenger is at fault for not having his 2012/13 TEAM come out of the gate flying! He should not cause that to happen again.

                            Sagna gave away this last BoyU match...but both himself and Mertesacker freeze when pressured and during that freeze each plays the fool.

                            In that pressured situation Sagna was a wreck waiting to happen. He is still a wreck waiting to happen. Otherwise TOP OF THE WORLD defender...but????

                            Mertesacker falls in the same boat plus he is slow as can be and cannot jump to save his life. Notice after Sagna's mistake...he could not take the few steps quickly enough to get to the ball or to cut off Van Persie. A toddler could have run those few steps to the ball in a heartbeat.

                            If Wenger cannot make him faster across the ground and get him to jump at least he can work on having him pass off faster when pressured...Christ???

                            Why is each still making that same mistake (freezing and making silly desperate passes) repeatedly? Where is the coach?

                            Aside: Said it last year, Dunny - Get rid of Theo Walcott. We one short on defense every time he is on the field...and he gives us use of his pace only when he feels like it (Cannot depend on him to put in a good shift every match)...and get a real top quality winger to complement 'The Ox'.

                            Get rid Gervinho - fast!!!! Notice he came on in the BoyU match and ducked under every high ball that came to him thereby gifting BoyU possession...besides he just does not know how to kick a ball! ...just two among many we need to dump!!! ...and fast!!!!
                            Karl, you men mi laugh!! You don't easy at all!_

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jangle View Post
                              Karl I see Wegner running off his mouth 'bout him not selling any more players to the Empire. Class clown to rathid. Arsenal don't have one world class player in their squad for even a small team like Loserfool would want to poach. The Gunners need an overhaul. Wegner continues to be cheap and thus he gets exactly what he pays for.
                              Jangle, cum out of we business. Talking bout cheap buy. See one of our cheap buy just won u the title! See Chelsea with all dem expensive collection have the same amount of points like Arsenal. It is all about value for money!

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