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    Suarez unfairly plays villain role
    Posted by Kristian Walsh


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    Luis Suarez controls the ball with his hand before scoring what proved to be Liverpool's winner at Mansfield
    One thing must be made abundantly clear from the start: Luis Suarez did not cheat against Mansfield.

    Granted, his hand jerked up instinctively and guided the ball towards goal. No number of slow-motion replays relay a different story. Ball-to-hand, hand-to-ball - whatever the syntax, it was handball.

    - Video highlights: Mansfield Town 1-2 Liverpool

    But few players would have stood with the ball on the goal-line and alerted the referee of the indiscretion; even fewer would have physically marched to the electronic scoreboard and changed the scoreline manually, as some expected him to do. That the ball hit his hand cannot be denied, but nor can his professionalism. He is there to win football matches for his club; his team-mates - and opponents - would have done the very same. They will have done before on numerous occasions, and will do again.

    Not that Suarez will care for this hysterical moralising. After entering the field to a cacophony of boos, jeers and whistles from the majority of Field Mill, it is only fair he played the pantomime villain to a tee. Truly, he knows what he is. He also knows the ability he possesses, proving it with his magnificent first touch, a rare moment of class to illuminate this murky, enthralling tie. Yet few will focus on that and rather hand-wring over an accidental act, no matter how crucial is ultimately proved.

    To limit thoughts to just one moment in this game is a bigger injustice than any handball. Either side of the Suarez goal was over 90 minutes of pure emotion, a sequence of events that belies the belief the FA Cup no longer matters. Manager Brendan Rodgers' team selection, containing eight full internationals, said a lot; that Mansfield would come so close to taking Liverpool back to Anfield says even more.

    Liverpool's fourth round place should have been confirmed by half time. The presence of Daniel Sturridge may bring more goalscoring instinct to the Reds' front line, but it will take more than one player to quell their affliction in front of goal. But as the night wore on, so did the pitch; the passes, so rapid and routine by the away side in the opening 45 minutes, started to stick in the upturned turf. The evening became darker and colder; the floodlights shone brighter; the home support, loud throughout, became a little more intense.

    Mansfield had Liverpool troubled before Suarez's goal. It is to their credit that the two-goal deficit brought determination rather than deterrence. Matt Green's strike 11 minutes from time was well-deserved, just reward for sustained pressure to Liverpool's largely inexperienced back line. Most bar Liverpool would have not begrudged Mansfield an Anfield replay. Some would argue it would have been deserved.

    Rodgers will take a lot from the mire. Unique experiences for young defenders Andre Wisdom and Jack Robinson, complimented by tough workouts for midfield duo Lucas and Joe Allen. Sturridge also impressed: his acceleration was frightening at times, so too his movement off the ball; it is simple to disregard any performance against non-league opposition, but whether it’s Mansfield or Manchester United, the inclination to peel from front post to far will always be there. Or, at least, Liverpool will hope it is when they travel to Old Trafford next week.

    Yet despite the pomp, circumstance and humdrum drumming that Field Mill produced throughout the evening, that defining moment from Suarez with an hour played still cannot be shaken. Nor can the feeling that, no matter how lauded his wondrous ability is, he will forever be destined to be the ultimate scoundrel of football’s judgemental stage.

    Make no mistake, this was not on par with his handball for Uruguay against Ghana at World Cup 2010 which saw Africa’s last representatives knocked out of Africa’s first World Cup. That was fully intentional, this was not. But even if it had been, Suarez simply wants to win at all costs. So did Bobby Charlton for England in the World Cup 1966 semi-final against Portugal as he palmed the ball away from goal illegally; so did Everton's Phil Neville as he fisted Lucas' goalbound shot in the final minute of the Merseyside derby in 2007.

    Those incidents, and many others, are ignored; the narrative lies with Suarez, particularly when he drives a stake through the heart of the the giantkiller. But every fairytale needs a villain, and if football is desperate to have one and so obsessed with typecasting for the role, they should not complain when he dominates the landscape.

    Again, to limit thoughts to just one moment in this magnificent is a bigger injustice than any handball. Then again, nobody is perfect. It's just that some are, unfairly, expected to be just that.
    "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

    X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

  • #2
    someone's opinion. i read another article where the gillingham coach said he is not making an issue of it too because it was accidental.

    Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Gamma View Post
      someone's opinion. i read another article where the gillingham coach said he is not making an issue of it too because it was accidental.
      "few players would have stood with the ball on the goal-line and alerted the referee of the indiscretion; even fewer would have physically marched to the electronic scoreboard and changed the scoreline manually, as some expected him to do."

      Y'all have one standard for Suarez and another for everyone else. Good to see some in the press taking a more reasoned stance; unfortunately, we need them to start clamouring for better adjudication tools, which is where the real problem lies.
      "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

      X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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      • #4
        do you treat a recidivist the same way you treat a first time offender? or a proven chronic or compulsive liar?

        Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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        • #5
          The problem with your question is that no "treatment" is being applied, or nothing is in place that allows "treatment" to be applied.
          Peter R

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gamma View Post
            do you treat a recidivist the same way you treat a first time offender? or a proven chronic or compulsive liar?
            Adjudication and equitable dispensation of justice has to weigh many factors, not just recidivism - you're a lawyer, you should know that.
            "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

            X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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            • #7
              oh ... yeah? ever heard about the 3 strikes rule in fl?

              Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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              • #8
                I don't profess to follow the infractions committed by any player in any league... but if you think football should have a three strikes rule with respect to a particular infraction , let's say handball, first, over what period of time? (if any limit) and second, what would be the appropriate consequence?

                and a third for good measure... Where do you see Suarez in this hypothetical three strike situation and what would his consequence be?
                Peter R

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                • #9
                  i am not advocating that at all ... anyway there is something similar i.e. the accumulation of yellow cards.

                  Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gamma View Post
                    oh ... yeah? ever heard about the 3 strikes rule in fl?
                    Sure, and as you pointed out, you get a one match ban for 5 yellow cards. However, each charge is weighed on its own merits and recividism laws are not supposed to play a part in the adjudication of any particular charge. However, you have shown that when it comes to Suarez, you can't be dispassionate so in "Gamma Court", Suarez could have just saved a busload of 5 year olds from going over a cliff, you would charge him for wreckless endangerment.

                    One could argue that his infraction yesterday was no where near the level of the blatant cheat perpetrated by Thierry Henry (your hero who your club has memorialized in a bronze statue outside their fancy new stadium). Far from you to say Henry cheated, isn't it?
                    "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

                    X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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                    • #11
                      TH14 did cheat and what was his response, he apologised! and he does not have a habit of being a reprobate, no biting no spitting diving .....

                      WHEN suarez saves a bus load of children i WILL give him his props for doing so. I have never shied away from the fact that he is a fantastic football player and you know that or have you conveniently forgotten?

                      Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gamma View Post
                        TH14 did cheat and what was his response, he apologised! and he does not have a habit of being a reprobate, no biting no spitting diving .....

                        WHEN suarez saves a bus load of children i WILL give him his props for doing so. I have never shied away from the fact that he is a fantastic football player and you know that or have you conveniently forgotten?
                        You are going on as if France was the only time Henry cheated!!! LOL!!! Check this out then come back and talk. Henry has his own fowl fi feed. No diving - ha ha ha ha - best joke of the new year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vov9Kp2o-40

                        Suarez should not be the object of derision, the people who administrate the game should be, but that's lost on you. And I don't need you to tell me that Suarez is a fantastic baller, saying anything less would destroy your credibility.

                        Hol' dis:
                        "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

                        X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Paul Marin View Post
                          Suarez should not be the object of derision, the people who administrate the game should be, but that's lost on you.
                          That's the easy way out. There is no personal responsibility on the part of the player. The rule, your rule is - be as dishonest, as obnoxious, as unruly and as racist as you wanna be. It is for the authorities to put, or try to put, a stop to it.

                          Not good enough for me!


                          BLACK LIVES MATTER

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                          • #14
                            oh please. any collage for suarez would be 10 times worse .... damn 20 times worse and deserves even more derisision than you think i am heaping on him. a first class reprobate with no visible redeeming personal character trais other than him can play football really well.

                            if henry is a cheat then suarez is the perfection of cheating.

                            Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gamma View Post
                              oh please. any collage for suarez would be 10 times worse .... damn 20 times worse and deserves even more derisision than you think i am heaping on him. a first class reprobate with no visible redeeming personal character trais other than him can play football really well.

                              if henry is a cheat then suarez is the perfection of cheating.
                              Arguing the " degree" of cheating is silly. He is either a cheater or not. Evidence is that he cheats, but if you base your judgment of cheating based on degrees of cheating then so be it. All I am saying is don't try bring your hero Henry into this as any bastion of righteousness (that's Mo's title anyway). He is a repeat offender and big time cheater too. Simple.
                              "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

                              X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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