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Originally posted by Assasin View Postmy friend Paul, si why mi say you always have to consider the man innocence as well? Sad state of affair.
Dunny now them can't talk to you."H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365
X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...
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Originally posted by Peter R View Postthat is a two way street... i.e. fa needs to do better in running the league...not talking clattenbrrg now... fa has to help refs do a better job... i see where they will now record the chatter... if one good thing came out of this thats it... no more me seh, he seh.."H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365
X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...
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Originally posted by Tilla View PostDunny: If the FA could find that the evidence was there to punish the alleged offender, then I would think they would. Conversely, if they could not find convincing evidence, they had to dismiss the case against the man. This however does not mean there was no racial abuse.
Accordingly, I submit that the FA's standard of proof required to charge Clattenburg (or any ref or administrator) would be higher than the standard of proof required to charge a player. I don't have any evidence to support that argument, but I bet the proverbial "fly on the wall" would back me up. They are not an honest organization so I would red card all of them who pay lip service to banning racism yet only fund KIO with £30k a year; less than a day's wages for JT.
Anyway, I am glad for Clattenburg and give him the benefit of the doubt. Racism or racial abuse isn't something we should accuse or charge people with lightly and "proof" should be beyond reasonable doubt."H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365
X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...
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Tilla, Chelsea could've for whatever regret filing the complaint but maintain a gripe. The apologetic manner in which Chelsea voices its regrets begs the question,on what grounds was the complaint officially filed?
gamma was again miles ahead when he said Mikel has some explaining to do,the only chance of this issue laying to rest is his explanation,these official findings/rulings and club apology means nothing.
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"Anyway, I am glad for Clattenburg and give him the benefit of the doubt. Racism or racial abuse isn't something we should accuse or charge people with lightly and "proof" should be beyond reasonable doubt."
It late but you just a see it.- Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.
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- Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.
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Originally posted by Assasin View Post"Anyway, I am glad for Clattenburg and give him the benefit of the doubt. Racism or racial abuse isn't something we should accuse or charge people with lightly and "proof" should be beyond reasonable doubt."
It late but you just a see it.
"H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365
X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...
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Just seeing what Sass? the second part of Paul's quote above has ALWAYS been his position stated a gazillion times on the forum, ad nauseam almost... it was his stated position from whenever, but came to the fore here during the Suarez situation, just ask Gamma... where were you all this time?Last edited by Peter R; November 28, 2012, 09:51 AM.Peter R
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Originally posted by Rockman View PostTilla, Chelsea could've for whatever regret filing the complaint but maintain a gripe. The apologetic manner in which Chelsea voices its regrets begs the question,on what grounds was the complaint officially filed?
gamma was again miles ahead when he said Mikel has some explaining to do,the only chance of this issue laying to rest is his explanation,these official findings/rulings and club apology means nothing.
(P.S. As PR alluded, I will have to change your name to Rockwall or may be even Rockhead )"H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365
X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...
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Paul the innocence come before the FA, The problem is you never said "if he was innocent" it was almost like you didn't care. Regardless of the FA, Regardless of the police, regardless of the player, the refs innocence come first because if proven innocent as he did, he was dragged through the mud.- Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.
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- Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.
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Sass, anyone who is accused of a crime or misdemanour or whatever it is called, will have some amount of negativity attached to them... what you are saying the way I understand it does not reflect how things work in the FA... you are expecting the accuser to investigate before he can accuse... the reality is that if the accuser believes with reasonable certainty that he's been wronged he will accuse and then the process will continue from there. If they're involved, the DPP (public prosecutor/police) will investigate and then proceed; the FA does the same thing, EXCEPT their burden of proof is different (lower) than in the criminal system.
While Chelsea could probably have done things differently, maybe... if you want justice then the accuser should not be deterred from bringing certain things to light, and I am speaking in general terms and not specific situations. If the accuser is found to be malicios and inventive in their accusation then they too should pay a high price. In that regard, the FA is correct IMO to investigate Mikel to see if he in fact fabricated this story.
Clattenberg is exonerated completely by my understanding. I think (if he is a good ref) he will bounce back just as Jt and Suarez have from their respective situations, and THEY were found guilty by the FA. If Clattenberg has sense he will accept the facts as they are/were and move on. Just my opinion.Peter R
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Originally posted by Peter R View PostSass, anyone who is accused of a crime or misdemanour or whatever it is called, will have some amount of negativity attached to them... what you are saying the way I understand it does not reflect how things work in the FA... you are expecting the accuser to investigate before he can accuse... the reality is that if the accuser believes with reasonable certainty that he's been wronged he will accuse and then the process will continue from there. If they're involved, the DPP (public prosecutor/police) will investigate and then proceed; the FA does the same thing, EXCEPT their burden of proof is different (lower) than in the criminal system.
While Chelsea could probably have done things differently, maybe... if you want justice then the accuser should not be deterred from bringing certain things to light, and I am speaking in general terms and not specific situations. If the accuser is found to be malicios and inventive in their accusation then they too should pay a high price. In that regard, the FA is correct IMO to investigate Mikel to see if he in fact fabricated this story.
Clattenberg is exonerated completely by my understanding. I think (if he is a good ref) he will bounce back just as Jt and Suarez have from their respective situations, and THEY were found guilty by the FA. If Clattenberg has sense he will accept the facts as they are/were and move on. Just my opinion.
The fact of the matter is, as soon as lyad Obi made the claim, there were some here that were quick to believe him. Now mi see the spinners in concert. Mine unuh tumble ovah."Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)
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Originally posted by Assasin View PostPaul the innocence come before the FA, The problem is you never said "if he was innocent" it was almost like you didn't care. Regardless of the FA, Regardless of the police, regardless of the player, the refs innocence come first because if proven innocent as he did, he was dragged through the mud.
For the LAST TIME - my issue is with the FA. Their STANDARD for charging a REF (or administration official) is DIFFERENT than for charging a player BECAUSE IT IS IN THEIR INTERESTS, not because they care about stamping out racism. OTHERWISE, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THEIR PALTRY CONTRIBUTION OF ONLY £30K A YEAR TO "KICK IT OUT"?
Now lef mi mek me go get ready for an important meeting.
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X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...
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Call a name or names nuh?
The truth is that the same reaction by others (mi nuh have no name fi call ) occurred when Evra and A Ferdinand made their accusations, i.e. they were quick to believe the accuser.
In those cases they were found guilty, Clattenberg was found innocent... apart from that, what is the diff???
Oh and BTW, I am a fast bowler, not a spinner... get it right!! LOLPeter R
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Originally posted by Peter R View PostCall a name or names nuh?
The truth is that the same reaction by others (mi nuh have no name fi call ) occurred when Evra and A Ferdinand made their accusations, i.e. they were quick to believe the accuser.
In those cases they were found guilty, Clattenberg was found innocent... apart from that, what is the diff???
Check the thread. http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/s...877#post387877"Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)
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