Fergie time...myth or fact?

[Peter R]

the point is my brother it would appear that some clubss including pool are favoured by the refs for reasons unknown... it just so happens that your team heads the list of those favoured... but that is really beside the point (though some could point to the stat as an indication of fergies influence, thus the term fergie time, but anyway..)some decisions could be taken from the ref...a syraight stopping the clock in extra time would level the playing field and eliminate activity like time wssting... it is not a pool or manu ting

[Rockman]

Based on my initial statement,"Man U is to Pool what Pool is..",it is relative,which forces me to examine this extra 20+ minutes as it relates to YOUR team and other teams. It makes sense to look for that dreadful 20+ number in other areas,and ideally,it happens to be a matching number your team enjoys...
We have isolated the issue to one being between a Man u fan and that of a Liverpool.Your gripe is the issue,and I understand it has everything to do with an extra 20+ minutes.
My point is it IS a Man U, Pool and City thing!

[Peter R]

i' m not sure where you get 20 mins from btw. manu according to the stats in the article, gets an average of 23 SECS more than pool... you have interpreted pm's response to be upset aboutthat... U R WRONG!! but if u wish to believe that, its your prerogative! i think both he and i see a bigger perspective that would ensure fairness for EVERYONE..

[Rockman]

Sorry not minutes, seconds!

"Fergie Time" makes it a Man U thing,which brings out the worst in you and Paul Marin(staunch Man U haters),the graphic tells many things,but now guys can just align yourselves to being altruistic activists...,nah, it was a chance to egg Manu U that the usual suspects could not miss,sadly despite having dirty hands.

[Peter R]

could you please demonstrate where the worst was brought in my case.. i will leave pm to ask u same? much thankzs

[Rockman]

"As usual the Man U crew are equally guilty of what they accuse others of..."
What somehow is missing(and remained missing to you when you made that statement) in the graphic is the Pool crew too is guilty of what they are accusing Man U,your statement above does not address that,and in fact, it wrongly cast Man U fans as blameworthy when it is Pool crew that is being hypocritical as demonstrated in your "As usual... statement.

[Peter R]

yuh got to be kidding me? are you serious? follow the thread and realise that iwrote that IN RESPONSE to your statements...it is YOU who introduced accusation of others with NO BASIS of being vex bout the stats and reduced it to a manu liverpool argument ... UNBELIEVABLE!! anyway if that is the "worse" in me then i'm not doing too badly... Recognise i NEVER prior to that, accused anyone of anything besides trying to figure out the science of Lazies statement... yuh bettah wheel star cah dat weak, weak, weak... i didnt think i would say this but pm was correct, you need to say focussed when you read these threads... Tilla whe de " stay focussed" smilie?

[Paul Marin]

I hate when people tell others to stay focused when they are the ones that are lacking. We have now eliminated the noise,distortions etc to deal with YOUR objection,Man U/Pool's gripe..
At a glance the first thing that is apparent is Man U enjoys(whereas all journalists use plural verb for "team" and its name, I still can't)an extra 20+ minutes in overtime seems to be the grounds for your outrage, but it is the same amount of added minutes Pool has over all teams except City.
Maybe you should recuse yourself from discussing this issue(the hypocrisy as YOUR hands too are dirty),or at the very least, refrain from rendering advice about one should stay focused.
Remember now,Man U to Pool is what Pool is to...

All me can do is laugh. Before a recuse myself, remind me - who is holding top spot? DWL!!!

[Paul Marin]

Sorry not minutes, seconds!

"Fergie Time" makes it a Man U thing,which brings out the worst in you and Paul Marin(staunch Man U haters),the graphic tells many things,but now guys can just align yourselves to being altruistic activists...,nah, it was a chance to egg Manu U that the usual suspects could not miss,sadly despite having dirty hands.

Rockman - there is a club in LA called the "Improv" - you a tell so much joke me tink you should go do some stand up comedy their when they have "open mike" night!! LOL!!! As I said in my original post - footbal could do well to have an independent timekeeper. I guess that would only benefit Liverpool.

[Rockman]

You also said regarding Slurgie time the graphic says it all.
Maybe you should take me serious.

[Rockman]

I think even a simpleton would see that Man U hands are dirty, what was more difficult understand is Pool too is culpable,if that is the case then it was worth pointing out.Your reaction to that is to say I am accusing you of things I am guilty of...,and it is typical,am I missing something here?
Yet you are telling me to stay focused.

[Paul Marin]

You also said regarding Slurgie time the graphic says it all.
Maybe you should take me serious.

I think you should check yourself and ask who is being biased. My exact words were:

"Football would do well to have the game clock managed based on the time the ball is "in play" and managed by someone other than the ref. It stuns me how backward the people running the game are. Anyway, with regard to Slurgie time - this graphic says it all: "

Let's break it down:

1. I made a generic statement about the benefit of getting an independent game clock

2. Then I said "with regard to Slurgie time - this graphic says it all" - the graphic listed other teams in addition to Manu**.

Note that nowhere in my post did I make any comment about any specific team and that the original post was about "Fergie time...myth or fact?". My original thinking after reading the article and seeing the graphic was two fold:

1) it reinforced what I have long thought in that football needs an independent time clock and 2) these are wild swings.

Somehow you deduced that "the graphic said it all" was an indictment about your team specifically and not time keeping generally. The conversation descended into comic depths when you all began to try to deflect from the obvious and try to make Liverpool the big beneficiary when Manu** is CLEARLY the biggest beneficiary of all. All now none of you can acknowledge that...but I am the biased one. Think about it and be honest.

[Peter R]

Again point out anywhere where I indicated or even hinted that pool was not "culpable"??? My only reaction was to Lazie justifying the extra time for YOUR CLUB??? dem nevah teach yu nevah to ASSume?? read with comprehension yute!! "when yu trow stone inna pig pen..." LOL

You are the person who brought Liverpool into the argument! the thread title is "FERGIE TIME"... YOUR GUY leads the pack!! LOL

[Lazie]

Agsin point out anywhere where I indicated or even hinted that pool was not culpable??? My only reaction was to Lazie justifying the extra time for YOUR CLUB??? read with comprehension yute!!

Did you read the article?

"It is widely believed that referees add 30 seconds for each goal and substitution, and a certain amount for other stoppages such as injuries."

The reality is teams that are leading going into the final minutes attempt to run down the clock by delaying to take back kicks, freekicks, throw ins, fake injuries etc .... its as if they don't know the refs will add on the time. When they are losing they are dying for the final whistle so the hoof the ball down field and MU takes it and try attacking again.

Next thing, when the ref adds 4 minutes, isn't the 4 minutes for both teams? The same way MU might create chances, the other team can as well.

Why people ignore the chart in the article that show that while other teams have scored 200 goals less than MU, they score more goals in the 90th minute compared to MU?

[Peter R]

Lazie I read the article and I am EQUALLY abhorred by the fact that Liverpool is "guilty" of "roughing up" the refs... THE MAIN point I tried to make , which PM also did, was that maybe extra time should be handled dispassionately by stopping the clock to create a level playing field FOR EVERYONE... what's the problem with that??... Rockman wants to go on over NOTHING...

...or is it (the cynic in me now) that people like Rockman (INCLUDING Liverpool fans) are happy that their gaffer/fans can continue to rough up the refs???