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    Wenger hits out at reckless spending of rivals as he warns of financial doom
    By MATT BARLOW
    PUBLISHED: 09:32, 1 August 2012 | UPDATED: 22:53, 1 August 2012
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    Robin van Persie questions stalked Arsene Wenger around Asia to the point where he eventually snapped and refused to answer any more.
    But there were other topics for Wenger to consider during Arsenal's pre-season tour, including the demise of Rangers, Chelsea's European triumph, Harry Redknapp's dismissal and the reign of Spain.

    Swimming up stream: Arsene Wenger continues to battle against cash inequality


    Is the Rangers experience a reminder of why Arsenal are so determined to balance the books?
    AW: 'Europe at the moment is like the Titanic but we live in football like nothing matters. More than ever we have to run our club in a strict way because it looks like everybody suffers in Europe and I would be surprised if football is not touched by it at some stage.
    'If you look at debt in football across Europe at the moment it is quite massive and we have to be responsible. We have to be ambitious but also make sure we are not getting in trouble financially.
    'It is difficult for us because the wages in some other clubs are very high. But of course our players quite rightly compare themselves to the players of the other clubs.'

    Contract rebel: Robin van Persie
    Are newly oil-rich clubs like Manchester City and Paris St Germain changing Europe's footballing landscape?
    AW: 'You have two kinds of club now in Europe – the very rich and the rest is very poor. We are not very poor. We consider ourselves in a privileged position because we have a massive income.
    'But overall we are not mega-rich because we do not have unlimited resources. A club can buy players like PSG has done or Manchester City or Chelsea, with unlimited resources, but overall football suffers.
    'Look at the activity on the transfer market since the start of the summer.
    'PSG are ambitious and they have resources and that's it. We talk always about the same things. I don't think anything is new in that domain.'
    Will Chelsea's Champions League win change anything in England?
    AW: 'I don't see what it could change. Maybe it will wake up the appetite of Abramovich again. I'm proud when any Premier League club wins the Champions League. It shows how competitive the Premier League is because Chelsea finished fifth in the Premier League and that is the real quality of a team. More than the Champions League it is about where you finish in the league. That just shows how good the Premier League is.'
    Andre Villas-Boas is the ninth permanent Spurs manager during your tenure, were you surprised by Harry Redknapp's sacking?
    AW: 'It was a complete surprise. I do not want to interfere. It came as a surprise. It happened at the end of the season. I don't know why. It is difficult to speak for him.'

    The new man in charge: Andre Villas-Boas has replaced Redknapp
    What are your reflections on Euro 2012?
    AW: 'England did well. France did not so well but not as bad as everybody says because they went out against Spain, who won the competition. You cannot say they didn't do well. They had some attitude problems which was a worse experience for people who love football in France than the result. I don't think anybody could reproach the team for going out against Spain. The feeling was a little bit like in England, expectations were not so high.
    'England did the maximum because they went out on penalties against a team that went to the final without losing a game.
    'Spain were not convincing this time apart from the final. Technically, Spain play in a different league. They lacked a bit of penetration overall. Their system sometimes was less positive than in previous competitions because they just deprive you of the ball.
    'Overall I have massive respect for this Spanish team. To do what they have done, winning the European Championship, the World Cup and then the European Championship again demands massive humility and massive intelligence.
    'I've seen teams who win the World Cup and two years later. To come back with the same hunger, the same humility and the same togetherness, as Spain have done, is absolutely remarkable. For me the most remarkable thing is not on the football side but the mental side. It is a massive combination of intelligence and quality.'
    What will be the impact of the Euros on the start of the new season?
    AW: 'After a World Cup or the European Championships you're always in the same situation. It's a little bit of a concern but there's not much choice. The good thing for us is that the other clubs have the same problem. You want the players to do well in the Euros but you know that the players who go far take a while to recover and to get back their focus at the start of the season. You know you have to focus a bit more on the other players.'
    What do you think of opinionated celebrity fans on Twitter like Piers Morgan?
    AW: 'I am as proud to have someone not known to be a fan than to have someone who is known. For me, to be known is not a quality. To love the club is a quality. I take the opinion of somebody who is not known at all the same as somebody who is famous. For me, that does not really matter. We are happy to have him (Morgan) as a fan but a fan is a fan.
    'In football, everybody has an opinion and everybody can be right but, at the end of the day, somebody has to make a decision. You do not neglect the opinions of other people. You respect everybody but you have to go with what you really feel is right. I have good experience and I know how we want to play. We have not been wrong too many times but we have to accept that no club makes only good decisions. We have to make more good decisions than others.


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz22N79pKbs

  • #2
    Originally posted by Dunny View Post
    Wenger hits out at reckless spending of rivals as he warns of financial doom
    By MATT BARLOW
    PUBLISHED: 09:32, 1 August 2012 | UPDATED: 22:53, 1 August 2012
    Comments (125)
    Share



    Robin van Persie questions stalked Arsene Wenger around Asia to the point where he eventually snapped and refused to answer any more.
    But there were other topics for Wenger to consider during Arsenal's pre-season tour, including the demise of Rangers, Chelsea's European triumph, Harry Redknapp's dismissal and the reign of Spain.

    Swimming up stream: Arsene Wenger continues to battle against cash inequality


    Is the Rangers experience a reminder of why Arsenal are so determined to balance the books?
    AW: 'Europe at the moment is like the Titanic but we live in football like nothing matters. More than ever we have to run our club in a strict way because it looks like everybody suffers in Europe and I would be surprised if football is not touched by it at some stage.
    'If you look at debt in football across Europe at the moment it is quite massive and we have to be responsible. We have to be ambitious but also make sure we are not getting in trouble financially.
    'It is difficult for us because the wages in some other clubs are very high. But of course our players quite rightly compare themselves to the players of the other clubs.'

    Contract rebel: Robin van Persie
    Are newly oil-rich clubs like Manchester City and Paris St Germain changing Europe's footballing landscape?
    AW: 'You have two kinds of club now in Europe – the very rich and the rest is very poor. We are not very poor. We consider ourselves in a privileged position because we have a massive income.
    'But overall we are not mega-rich because we do not have unlimited resources. A club can buy players like PSG has done or Manchester City or Chelsea, with unlimited resources, but overall football suffers.
    'Look at the activity on the transfer market since the start of the summer.
    'PSG are ambitious and they have resources and that's it. We talk always about the same things. I don't think anything is new in that domain.'
    Will Chelsea's Champions League win change anything in England?
    AW: 'I don't see what it could change. Maybe it will wake up the appetite of Abramovich again. I'm proud when any Premier League club wins the Champions League. It shows how competitive the Premier League is because Chelsea finished fifth in the Premier League and that is the real quality of a team. More than the Champions League it is about where you finish in the league. That just shows how good the Premier League is.'
    Andre Villas-Boas is the ninth permanent Spurs manager during your tenure, were you surprised by Harry Redknapp's sacking?
    AW: 'It was a complete surprise. I do not want to interfere. It came as a surprise. It happened at the end of the season. I don't know why. It is difficult to speak for him.'

    The new man in charge: Andre Villas-Boas has replaced Redknapp
    What are your reflections on Euro 2012?
    AW: 'England did well. France did not so well but not as bad as everybody says because they went out against Spain, who won the competition. You cannot say they didn't do well. They had some attitude problems which was a worse experience for people who love football in France than the result. I don't think anybody could reproach the team for going out against Spain. The feeling was a little bit like in England, expectations were not so high.
    'England did the maximum because they went out on penalties against a team that went to the final without losing a game.
    'Spain were not convincing this time apart from the final. Technically, Spain play in a different league. They lacked a bit of penetration overall. Their system sometimes was less positive than in previous competitions because they just deprive you of the ball.
    'Overall I have massive respect for this Spanish team. To do what they have done, winning the European Championship, the World Cup and then the European Championship again demands massive humility and massive intelligence.
    'I've seen teams who win the World Cup and two years later. To come back with the same hunger, the same humility and the same togetherness, as Spain have done, is absolutely remarkable. For me the most remarkable thing is not on the football side but the mental side. It is a massive combination of intelligence and quality.'
    What will be the impact of the Euros on the start of the new season?
    AW: 'After a World Cup or the European Championships you're always in the same situation. It's a little bit of a concern but there's not much choice. The good thing for us is that the other clubs have the same problem. You want the players to do well in the Euros but you know that the players who go far take a while to recover and to get back their focus at the start of the season. You know you have to focus a bit more on the other players.'
    What do you think of opinionated celebrity fans on Twitter like Piers Morgan?
    AW: 'I am as proud to have someone not known to be a fan than to have someone who is known. For me, to be known is not a quality. To love the club is a quality. I take the opinion of somebody who is not known at all the same as somebody who is famous. For me, that does not really matter. We are happy to have him (Morgan) as a fan but a fan is a fan.
    'In football, everybody has an opinion and everybody can be right but, at the end of the day, somebody has to make a decision. You do not neglect the opinions of other people. You respect everybody but you have to go with what you really feel is right. I have good experience and I know how we want to play. We have not been wrong too many times but we have to accept that no club makes only good decisions. We have to make more good decisions than others.


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz22N79pKbs
    This guy is too good for a dumb set of fans like gummers fans (some present company excluded i.e. everybady but Gamma ). His philosophy is directly aligned with my way of thinking. You see how the Glazers selling stock (overpriced by the way as they are forecasting raising £200m for 10% putting the club at a market cap of £2b) they are doing this to set a valuation that they can use to justify a high sales price. Look for Manu** to be sold...presumably to another oil-soaked buyer and the system will continue to devour itself. The disparity is such that you can't see promoted teams ever challenging for honours like in the olden days. The money really has ruined the game.
    "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

    X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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    • #3
      All of the American owners are in there for the business. You think most of them love football. They will take out what they can and try and build the name with one day hoping to dump it off at the right price. Some with a big ego is going to purchase a Manu/Liverpool etc.
      • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Assasin View Post
        All of the American owners are in there for the business. You think most of them love football. They will take out what they can and try and build the name with one day hoping to dump it off at the right price. Some with a big ego is going to purchase a Manu/Liverpool etc.
        Which do you think is better for football?

        a) A man/company that runs a football club to be self-sustaining
        b) A man/company that runs a football club like his own personal toy
        c) A man/company that runs a football club for his own personal gain

        Whether they are American, Russian or whatever, it makes no difference; they need to run the club to be self-sustaining ("a"). If an owner can do that, then he will accomplish "c". Greed will drive you to skip "a" and go directly to "c". Ill-gotten or overnight wealth will take you directly to "b". However, "a" offers the most long term stability and value. This is what you have at Arsenal, and Liverpool (thankfully) look like they are heading that way.

        Arsenal have been in the top flight for over 100 years because the "living within your means" self sustaining philosophy has been there for a long time. You can't say that about Manu** (the Glazers are a "c" from the above to my mind), Chelski ("b") or City ("b").

        I have no problem finishing "wherever" in the league if the club can support itself. Anything else is a ticking time bomb.
        "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

        X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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        • #5
          thanks fi di compliment bass!

          Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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          • #6
            what I like and the reality is two different things. I like the Arsenal Model but you see because of the other models they can't hold unto their top class players so it has it disadvantages and you and others a the first to ask their fans "when last they won anything?"

            I say Americans because they buy English Club strickly as an investment. Others like the owners who buy Blackburn wanted to promote their business and name, despite what Man City and Chelsea say these clubs are run as toys for wealthy owners. Yes it is a time bomb but what can be done? Like it or not I don't see any long term ownership at Manu/Liverpool/Aston Villa and others owned by the US businessmen who will sell for the right price and only wealthy men who want toys can afford them.

            How is Liverpool heading that way??? explain to me and that is when since? You forgot what happen a year and a half ago to Liverpool?? Since then they pumped how much in players and turn around and saying it was a waste. Watch and see how fast the owner going to take some money out as soon as he can. What is there to stop him?
            • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Assasin View Post
              what I like and the reality is two different things. I like the Arsenal Model but you see because of the other models they can't hold unto their top class players so it has it disadvantages and you and others a the first to ask their fans "when last they won anything?"
              Really? Show me when I've said that. Not me. I don't think that silverware (alone) is the measure of a good club.


              Originally posted by Assasin View Post
              I say Americans because they buy English Club strickly as an investment. Others like the owners who buy Blackburn wanted to promote their business and name, despite what Man City and Chelsea say these clubs are run as toys for wealthy owners. Yes it is a time bomb but what can be done?
              What can be done? Regulations can ensure that greedy owners don't pile debt on clubs. This is what Financial Fair Play is supposed to address, but I confess I don't know enough about it to make any judgment on its usefulness.

              Originally posted by Assasin View Post
              How is Liverpool heading that way??? explain to me and that is when since? You forgot what happen a year and a half ago to Liverpool?? Since then they pumped how much in players and turn around and saying it was a waste. Watch and see how fast the owner going to take some money out as soon as he can. What is there to stop him?
              They are heading that way because:

              1. club went from over £200m in debt to zero back to less than £30m (i.e. cashflow can easily support debt service)
              2. they are now spending more prudently than under KD's madness
              3. they are now looking to develop talent, not buy.

              As far as the owners taking money out as soon as they can - I have ZERO problem with this as long as the club can afford it. As long as cashflows are positive and debt is manageable, there is no reason for them not to take out cash. What the Glazers are supposedly doing is what is dangerous. Had their debt been more reasonable (e.g. under £150m) then they can take a healthy amount and gwan, no crime in that, but to take £100m out of the £200m they raise in the floatation to stuff their pockets while the club has over £400m in debt...
              "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

              X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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              • #8
                Paul, How did Liverpool reduce the debt? Was it by bringing new owners? If the same owner owned the club as two years ago you would be about 400 grand in debt now. I have no problem with owners taking out money but you have to understand they also have other business and sport franchises and rob Peter to pay Paul(not you and mi good friend Peter R). Let Boston start going down and see if they don't start dip into a "profitable Liverpool"

                Manu by itself is profitable without the debt it is not in such a bad place. When it is no longer profitable is the big problem. Glazers will simply sell to someone else who will reduce the debt by having a lot of cash upfront. It is one of the best club for a owner to buy.

                Financial fairplay is one thing but how will it gurantee that clubs are not demoted because they can't buy new players??? We talk about the upsides but let us see the down side.

                Sorry if you didn't ask the Arsenal Trophy question as you have seen it has been asked so many times on the forum.
                • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Paul Marin View Post
                  This guy is too good for a dumb set of fans like gummers fans (some present company excluded i.e. everybady but Gamma ). His philosophy is directly aligned with my way of thinking. You see how the Glazers selling stock (overpriced by the way as they are forecasting raising £200m for 10% putting the club at a market cap of £2b) they are doing this to set a valuation that they can use to justify a high sales price. Look for Manu** to be sold...presumably to another oil-soaked buyer and the system will continue to devour itself. The disparity is such that you can't see promoted teams ever challenging for honours like in the olden days. The money really has ruined the game.
                  So Paul Marin, you put me with the dumb fans to?

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                  • #10
                    How much has Arsenal spent in transfers this summer ?
                    THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                    "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                    "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by X View Post
                      How much has Arsenal spent in transfers this summer ?
                      It is well documented Boss, last time mi check them buy a German striker 27 years old with a 100 caps and a French int. who score a lot of goals last season and both of them together for less than £25 million.

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                      • #12
                        25 million already , O.K .update mi on the next one.
                        THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                        "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                        "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                        • #13
                          http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19086404

                          Two good signing. Unnu want two good defenders now. Van Persie can only leave Arsenal for a payday nothing else. With all these signing Arsnel looking to move up the table so what is his gripe?
                          • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                          • #14
                            I hear its 17 million a piece , if it happens , thats 60 million for the season and counting. NET SPEND !
                            THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                            "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                            "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by X View Post
                              25 million already , O.K .update mi on the next one.
                              You don't have to wait long, the cream will soon arrive Santi Cazorla and X, please remember we don't spend more than we can afford!! So people will have to go to balance the books. A so business run!

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