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    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...t-7982339.html

    The former England captain John Terry set the stage today for another monumental disciplinary hearing for the Football Association when he requested a personal hearing to contest a charge by the governing body of having racially abused Anton Ferdinand.
    The FA made the announcement to charge Terry just three hours before the Olympic opening ceremony of the London Games was due to begin, inviting criticism that the timing was a cynical attempt to bury a controversial decision. The governing body famously released the full judgement on Luis Suarez’s racial abuse charge last December on New Year’s Eve.
    Within minutes of the announcement, Terry and Chelsea, who had been informed of the FA’s decision earlier in the day, released a statement in which they outlined their intention to contest the charges. Terry, 31, is currently with the Chelsea squad in Miami where they play Milan in a friendly tomorrow, the last game of their tour of America.
    Terry was acquitted by Westminster magistrates’ court on 13 July of a racially aggravated public order offence after the district judge Howard Riddle ruled that the Chelsea captain could not be found guilty on the criminal standard of beyond reasonable doubt. The standard of proof on the FA charge is the civil standard of the balance of probability.
    Terry is accused by the FA in relation to the incident at Loftus Road on 23 October last year in which he is alleged to have called Ferdinand a “f****** black c***”. At his trial last month he admitted to using the words but claimed that they were a sarcastic response to Ferdinand who, Terry claimed, had first accused him of using the term of abuse.
    The FA has charged Terry with breaking rules E3(1) and E3(2) in his alleged abuse of Ferdinand, an identical charge to that which was laid against Suarez after his clash with Patrice Evra at Old Trafford eight days before the Ferdinand-Terry incident. The Liverpool striker was found guilty and given an eight-game ban and a £40,000 fine.
    The exact charge against Terry for E3(1) is for using “abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards Queens Park Rangers’ Anton Ferdinand, contrary to FA rules” On the E3(2) charges the FA said: “It is further alleged that this included a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Anton Ferdinand.”
    Terry said today, in a statement on the Chelsea website: "I deny the charge and I will be requesting the opportunity to attend the commission for a personal hearing."
    As with Suarez, Terry will face a four-man independent panel, three of whom will be drawn from FA lists which all clubs endorse annually. Chelsea will be told the identity of the individuals on the board and will be able to veto any of their involvement. The fourth member of the panel is likely to be an independent QC with expertise in this area of sports law.
    The basic tariff for this kind of offence is a four-game ban. In Suarez’s case the commission decided that it was insufficient to reflect the severity of his offence, in which he repeatedly used the word “negro” in relation to Evra and raised the ban to eight games. Terry is alleged to have used the phrase “f****** black c***” just once, although there is no way of telling how the commission will judge its severity if he is found guilty.
    The FA has never considered charging Ferdinand under E3(1) despite his admission in court that in the exchange with Terry on the pitch the Queens Park Rangers defender repeatedly called his opponent a “c***” and accused him of “shagging Bridgey’s missus” – a reference to Terry’s alleged extra-marital affair with the former partner of Wayne Bridge.
    The FA believes that charging players for evidence they gave during an investigation would be such a disincentive to witnesses coming forward that running their disciplinary hearings would become impossible.
    The FA investigation into Terry began last year but was halted when a complaint was made to the police by an off-duty police officer and it became a criminal investigation. Central to the case was an interview given by Terry to the FA disciplinary officer Jenni Kennedy, a former police officer, five days after the incident.
    In the Terry case heard this month, the key witness for Terry was Ashley Cole who gave evidence which supported the theory that Ferdinand had first accused Terry of the racial slur. Terry’s counsel George Carter-Stephenson QC also successfully persuaded Riddle that despite video footage of the incident, there are, in Riddle’s words, “limitations to lip reading even by an expert.”
    While Terry’s case at Westminster magistrates was played out in the full glare of public scrutiny, the FA commission hearing will be held in private.
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  • #2
    it just got a whole lot more inneresting!!!

    Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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    • #3
      "The FA believes that charging players for evidence they gave during an investigation would be such a disincentive to witnesses coming forward that running their disciplinary hearings would become impossible."

      Gamma - do Engish courts have an equivalent to the fifth ammendment?
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      X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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      • #4
        the right against self incrimination? yes.

        Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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        • #5
          yep and das why mi tell man fi make we wait and see what happen before we jump the gun.
          • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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          • #6
            My prediction - he will get a 4 match ban. They already set the precedent with the Suarez affair where they used a purely objective standard - i.e. there is no context attributed to the use of an offensive term unless such context is "overwhelmingly" exonerating...at least this is what I gather from the joke tribunal that convicted the innocent Luis Suarez. In fact, this is is what Sass is advocating. Anyway, unlike the wrongly castigated Luis Suarez *who was innocent*, JT wasn't speaking in Spanish...so him suppose fi get juk. And by the way...by the letter of the Rule, Anton should be charged as well for calling JT a "c*nt".
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            X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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            • #7
              you start again?? "innocent".
              • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gamma View Post
                the right against self incrimination? yes.
                So if there is a law against self-incrimination, why would the FA take this position? Here it is again:

                The FA believes that charging players for evidence they gave during an investigation would be such a disincentive to witnesses coming forward that running their disciplinary hearings would become impossible.

                In otherwords, instead of saying he called JT a c-nt, Anton could have said, "I called him a word which I won't repeat..." then carry on from there presumably because the word is not material to events. And because the word was not mentioned or admitted to by the witness, why then would it be necessary to take a position like the one above?

                Take it one step further. Let's hypothetically say Lampard was giving testimony, and he said "It all started when I called Anton a n-gger..." are you telling me they wouldn't charge him? Someone needs to give the FA a copy of the miranda rights.
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                • #9
                  which investigation? theirs or let's say a criminal investigation.

                  if he says i said a word which i cannot or will not repeat due note may be made of that in arriving at the conclusion.

                  let us say the question was asked, "did you call him a n**?" and he does invokes that, i.e. yes or no ... then an inference may be drawn from it, especially if there are other credible witnesses who testify that he did say it.

                  Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                  • #10
                    btw not a LAW, a rule or right. and the right may be waived.

                    Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                    • #11
                      make Paul stay deh Kangaroo court to the world

                      When it over a pure choir boys mi say.
                      • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gamma View Post
                        which investigation? theirs or let's say a criminal investigation.

                        if he says i said a word which i cannot or will not repeat due note may be made of that in arriving at the conclusion.

                        let us say the question was asked, "did you call him a n**?" and he does invokes that, i.e. yes or no ... then an inference may be drawn from it, especially if there are other credible witnesses who testify that he did say it.
                        Their statement is this:

                        The FA believes that charging players for evidence they gave during an investigation would be such a disincentive to witnesses coming forward that running their disciplinary hearings would become impossible.

                        They don't say what kind of investigation. Even if it were their investigation, doesn't the law of the land protect the individual? My point is that they are saying that they won't use statements made during an investigation as the basis of a charge. That seems crazy to me.

                        For example, suppose Suarez complained first that "Evra called me sudaca"...are they saying that any testimony Suarez gave to calling Evra a "neh-gro" would not be used against him?

                        Only the FA.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Assasin View Post
                          make Paul stay deh Kangaroo court to the world

                          When it over a pure choir boys mi say.
                          Min' a give yu two kangaroo kick eena u teet...
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Assasin View Post
                            you start again?? "innocent".
                            Sass...who innocent? JT? Not to me he ain't...certainly not if Suarez guilty. At least there is reasonable evidence against JT, all now, unu cyan fin' one gens Suarez. :kissteeth: Bad min'.
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                            X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gamma View Post
                              btw not a LAW, a rule or right. and the right may be waived.
                              Understood. But if you have that right, and you choose to invoke it, then the law protects you - right? In other words, the authorities can't make a claim of guilt solely based on one's decision to invoke that right.
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