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    Bricky, is this the Blueprint that you talking about?





    Germany provide the blueprint for England's academy system

    • Germany overhauled youth development system in 2002
    • Current German squad has an average age of 24.7 years

    Thomas Müller has been one of the stars of this World Cup. Photograph: Pierre-Philippe Marcou/AFP/Getty Images

    As English football looks to come to terms with another tournament failure, the head of Germany's Bundesliga has detailed how his country overhauled its failing youth football structures in the wake of Germany's "horrible" Euro 2000 performances.

    Christian Seifert, the Bundesliga's chief executive, told Observer Sport how that failure, which followed a 3-0 quarter-final defeat by Croatia in the 1998 World Cup, forced a major rethink about the development of young players.

    The new structure, implemented in 2002, has resulted in a resurgent German side - their youngest team ever, with an average age of 24.7 years. Last Sunday in South Africa they beat England 4-1, and Argentina 4-0 yesterday. They will go into Euro 2012 in Poland and Ukraine among the favourites.

    Seifert said that the national team's stark improvement was a direct result of the overhaul of Germany's academy system, with all 36 clubs in the two Bundesliga divisions now obliged to operate centrally regulated academies before being given a licence to play in the league. Of the 23-man national squad now in South Africa, 19 came from Bundesliga academies, with the other four from Bundesliga 2 academies.

    The most significant change, said Seifert, was insisting that in these new academies at least 12 players in each intake have to be eligible to play for Germany.

    "That was the key difference," he said. "Fifa's 6+5 rule means only that players must have grown up in the club. For example, Cesc Fabregas was developed at Arsenal, but is Spanish. In Germany, our academies must have 12 in each group able to play for Germany."

    Since that restructuring, the proportion of Germany-qualified players in the Bundesliga has changed significantly.

    "In 2003-4 we had 44% from foreign countries," Seifert said. "Right now it is only 38%. So 62% are able to play for the national team." In England it is the other way around, with an approximate 60/40 split of foreigners and nationals.

    Seifert emphasised that essential to the system's smooth operation was the unity between clubs and the German FA, achieved in part through the stipulation that no single entity can own more than 49% of a Bundesliga club.

    "This way you don't have a foreign owner who doesn't really care for the national teams," said Seifert. "The clubs have a very strong relationship with the FA: we are all engaged in discussions [about youth development]."

    That is in stark contrast to England, where infighting between the FA, the Premier League and the Football League resulted in the Professional Game Youth Development Group being disbanded last year after just a year of operation. Since then, no single body has been in control of youth development in England. Instead, the power has rested with Premier League clubs.

    Seifert stated that the German system costs clubs "only euros 80m" of the Bundesliga's euros 2billion turnover. The German structure only takes boys into the academy system from the age of 12, with around 5,000 players going through the system at any one time.

    English clubs currently spend more, around euros 95m per season, and put 10,000 boys aged between nine and 16 through a much-criticised structure designed by Howard Wilkinson in 1997. About 1% of boys who join an English academy aged nine become professional footballers.

    England reached the European Under-21 Championships final last summer, but failed to qualify for seven of the previous 10 tournaments, and England's teams at senior and youth level have failed to win any major trophies since the academy system was established.

    Speaking last week, former sports minister Richard Caborn called for radical change. "We can't just deal with the symptoms, we have to get to the root of the problem. English football and the Premier League have to come together to develop young English players."
    Last edited by Karl; June 29, 2012, 04:54 PM.
    Hey .. look at the bright side .... at least you're not a Liverpool fan! - Lazie 2/24/10 Paul Marin -19 is one thing, 20 is a whole other matter. It gets even worse if they win the UCL. *groan*. 05/18/2011.MU fans naah cough, but all a unuh a vomit?-Lazie 1/11/2015

  • #2
    Just get to the point...Karl tired me out with all his running...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bricktop View Post
      Just get to the point...Karl tired me out with all his running...
      Point: England will never get there as the FA and Prem won't agree. The Prem is not going to develop players for others to poach.
      EDIT - Sorry, I meant to say - the lower clubs are not going to develop players for the Prem to poach.
      Last edited by Paul Marin; June 29, 2012, 05:07 PM.
      "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

      X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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      • #4
        I am searching for an answer. You sent me to go look for blueprint, but you are hopping, skipping and jumping around instead of giving me a straight answer when I am trying to be enlightened.
        Hey .. look at the bright side .... at least you're not a Liverpool fan! - Lazie 2/24/10 Paul Marin -19 is one thing, 20 is a whole other matter. It gets even worse if they win the UCL. *groan*. 05/18/2011.MU fans naah cough, but all a unuh a vomit?-Lazie 1/11/2015

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Paul Marin View Post
          Point: England will never get there as the FA and Prem won't agree. The Prem is not going to develop players for others to poach.
          EDIT - Sorry, I meant to say - the lower clubs are not going to develop players for the Prem to poach.
          I have hopes that they will produce better technical players, i am starting to see signs of better grassroot coaching and some really skillful young players playing football the right way from about u12's and with the FA's new structure kicking from next year things can only get better,

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          • #6
            Prof Simoes gave us the blueprint...pretty much the same strategy as the top teams in the world...identify kids at 8+ and develop them in academies/clubs...Germsmany do the research for you already...4v4 games provides the best results...etc. etc. etc...or we can continue on our current path to nowhere...your call...

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            • #7
              Seifert emphasised that essential to the system's smooth operation was the unity between clubs and the German FA, achieved in part through the stipulation that no single entity can own more than 49% of a Bundesliga club.

              "This way you don't have a foreign owner who doesn't really care for the national teams," said Seifert. "The clubs have a very strong relationship with the FA: we are all engaged in discussions [about youth development]."
              And in England the majority of the owners are foreigners who are indifferent to the national team, including Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan (BoyCity), Malcolm Glazer (BoyU) and Chel$ea Roman Abramovich as an example. These men are interested in winning now, and not developing English talent for the long term.
              Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else - Vince Lombardi

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              • #8
                "identify kids at 8+ and develop them in academies/clubs"

                So we are going to take an 8 year old child, living in St. Elizabeth, from his mother and put him in the academy in Kingston? Are we going to put up the mother too?
                Hey .. look at the bright side .... at least you're not a Liverpool fan! - Lazie 2/24/10 Paul Marin -19 is one thing, 20 is a whole other matter. It gets even worse if they win the UCL. *groan*. 05/18/2011.MU fans naah cough, but all a unuh a vomit?-Lazie 1/11/2015

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                • #9
                  What's the difference between an 8 year-old Jamaican and an 8 year-old Frenchman/Spaniard/German/Argentine? What dem do with the mother's in that country? You are what we call a dream killer...you are without vision...

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                  • #10
                    Language...?
                    Hey .. look at the bright side .... at least you're not a Liverpool fan! - Lazie 2/24/10 Paul Marin -19 is one thing, 20 is a whole other matter. It gets even worse if they win the UCL. *groan*. 05/18/2011.MU fans naah cough, but all a unuh a vomit?-Lazie 1/11/2015

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                    • #11
                      So our language prevents us from going to an academy at age 8? Yuh wasting mi time now enuh...

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                      • #12
                        Jamaica does not have the resources fi that. We have to come up with a strategy that's within the resources of a third wold country.
                        Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else - Vince Lombardi

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hortical View Post
                          And in England the majority of the owners are foreigners who are indifferent to the national team, including Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan (BoyCity), Malcolm Glazer (BoyU) and Chel$ea Roman Abramovich as an example. These men are interested in winning now, and not developing English talent for the long term.
                          All the top clubs spend millions of pounds on their academies but there are no limits on the amount of foreign youngsters within these academies. So the FA needs to put a quota on the amount of foreigners allowed in each Academy and force the clubs to comply then again it is quite difficult to implement because of the EU free movement of trade.

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                          • #14
                            Yeah...Manning Cup...didn't we get money to build an academy? Somebody should have told Craig Butler that he can't do what he is doing...that fellow is bright and out of order...

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                            • #15
                              Most?
                              "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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