Suh hold on now.. Jamaica dominate

[Muadib]

Guatemala with Tappa as dem Coach... USA barely escape a defeat at the hands of Guatemala with Klinsman as dem coach..

Sumting wong..

Can the Coach/Concacaf experts please explain..

Mi confused now..

[HL]

Did you watch the Guatemala v. USA match?

[Muadib]

yes.. mi si di Guatemalan dem miss several excellent chances in the second half.. USA practicing obeah !

[Jangle]

Take resources out of the picture for a minute and let's compare Klinsman and Tappa on strictly their coaching skills, accomplishments and their philosophy. Which one is more likely to succeed over the next two years?

[Muadib]

Coaching is overrated in Concacaf qualifying... our History has demonstrated this

Don't get profound..

:-)

[Jangle]

okey dokey

[Dunny]

Take resources out of the picture for a minute and let's compare Klinsman and Tappa on strictly their coaching skills, accomplishments and their philosophy. Which one is more likely to succeed over the next two years?

So tell me Jangle, how do you know what Tappa's coaching skills are like, have you ever watched him close up? Likewise Jurgen's the only thing you can use to judge is their resources and achievements. One coach have got limited Talent at his disposal and the other as gotten into some top jobs because of his reputation as a player.

[Jangle]

I'll treat that as a rhetorical question. We cannot compare resources between Tappa and Jurgen so that's out of the equation. "Limited Talent"? Comparatively, is not very far off from the USA in terms of talented players at their disposal. Tappa got his job because of his reputation moreso than Klinsman. So what is the point you are trying to make?


Klinsman's Coaching Achievments (too long to post) but here's what intrigues the most:

German national team
On 26 July 2004, he returned to Germany as the new coach of the national team, succeeding former teammate and strike partner Rudi Völler. Klinsmann subsequently embarked on an aggressive program to revamp the management of the team. Bringing fellow German striker Oliver Bierhoff on board helped diffuse public relations duties of the previous combined post away from the actual coaching aspect of the position. Furthermore, he created a youth movement to breathe life into an aging squad on the heels of a disastrous showing at Euro 2004. In the run up to the 2006 World Cup, Klinsmann attracted criticism from German fans and the media following poor results, such as the 4–1 loss to Italy. A particular subject of criticism was that Klinsmann commuted to Germany from the United States, which was the target of a campaign by the "Bild" tabloid. It should be noted that Klinsmann had previously eliminated some privileges Bild traditionally had with the national team, such as receiving the team lineup the day before a match, and 24/7 exclusive access to the team. His largely offensive tactics have irritated some, who complain that he ignores defensive football. He announced a squad of young players for the 2006 World Cup, basing his selection policy on performance, not reputation.

Klinsmann as manager of Germany in 2005


During the 2005 Confederations Cup, he regularly rotated his goalkeepers regardless of their performances, which drew the ire of Bayern Munich's Oliver Kahn. On 7 April 2006, Klinsmann finally decided to relegate Kahn to the bench and designated Arsenal's Jens Lehmann as his first choice goalkeeper. This choice followed Lehmann's performances in the 2006 Champions League in which his Arsenal team bowed out in the final against Barcelona.
In the 2006 World Cup, the performances of Klinsmann's team silenced his critics. The team recorded three straight wins against Costa Rica, Poland and Ecuador in the first round, earning Germany first place in Group A. The first game of the knock out stage was a 2–0 victory over Sweden, and in the quarter-finals, Klinsmann's team defeated Argentina, winning 4–2 on penalties. The teams drew 1–1 after 120 minutes after an equalising goal from Miroslav Klose in the 80th minute.[19]
In the semi-final on 4 July, Germany lost a close match with Italy 2–0 after goals in the final minutes of extra time from Fabio Grosso and Alessandro Del Piero.[20] After the match, Klinsmann praised the performance of his young team. They beat Portugal 3–1 in the third place play-off, where he played Kahn instead of Jens Lehmann.[21] The victory triggered a massive Berlin parade the following day where Klinsmann and the team were honoured by the public.
Afterward, Franz Beckenbauer, previously a strident critic of Klinsmann's, declared his desire to see Klinsmann continue as coach. There was also widespread public support for Klinsmann due to his team's spirit and attacking style of play. The team's strong performance is thought by some to have renewed national pride and restored Germany's reputation as a top footballing nation. Due to his success coaching the national team, Klinsmann was awarded the Bundesverdienstkreuz. He was even referred to as "Kaiser", a term meaning "emperor" in German, usually reserved for German footballing greats, e.g. Franz Beckenbauer.
Despite the highly acclaimed performance at the World Cup and the praise earned, Klinsmann declined to renew his contract, informing the DFB of his decision on 11 July 2006. The decision was officially announced by the DFB on the 12 July 2006. Klinsmann's assistant Joachim Löw was appointed as the new head trainer at the same press conference.[22][23] Klinsmann said "My big wish is to go back to my family, to go back to leading a normal life with them ... After two years of putting in a lot of energy, I feel I lack the power and the strength to continue in the same way."[

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International goals#DateVenueOpponentScoreResultCompetition1.27 April 1988Fritz Walter Stadion, Kaiserslautern, West Germany Switzerland1–01–0Friendly2.14 June 1988Parkstadion, Gelsenkirchen, West Germany Denmark1–02–0UEFA Euro 19883.4 October 1989Westfalenstadion, Dortmund, West Germany Finland3–06–1FIFA World Cup 1990 qualifying4.25 April 1990Neckarstadion, Stuttgart, West Germany Uruguay3–23–3Friendly5.10 June 1990Stadio Giuseppe Meazza, Milan, Italy Yugoslavia2–04–1FIFA World Cup 19906.15 June 1990Stadio Giuseppe Meazza, Milan, Italy United Arab Emirates2–05–1FIFA World Cup 19907.24 June 1990Stadio Giuseppe Meazza, Milan, Italy Netherlands1–02–1FIFA World Cup 19908.10 October 1990Råsunda Stadium, Stockholm, Sweden Sweden1–03–1Friendly9.31 October 1990Stade Josy Barthel, Luxembourg, Luxembourg Luxembourg1–03–2UEFA Euro 1992 qualifying10.18 June 1992Ullevi, Gothenburg, Sweden Netherlands1–21–3UEFA Euro 199211.20 December 1992Estadio Centenario, Montevideo, Uruguay Uruguay4–04–1Friendly12.14 April 1993Ruhrstadion, Bochum, Germany Ghana3–16–1Friendly13.14 April 1993Ruhrstadion, Bochum, Germany Ghana5–16–1Friendly14.10 June 1993Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium, Washington, D.C., USA Brazil1–33–3U.S. Cup15.10 June 1993Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium, Washington, D.C., USA Brazil3–33–3U.S. Cup16.13 June 1993Soldier Field, Chicago, USA United States1–04–3U.S. Cup17.19 June 1993Silverdome, Pontiac, USA England2–12–1U.S. Cup18.23 March 1994Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion, Stuttgart, Germany Italy1–12–1Friendly19.23 March 1994Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion, Stuttgart, Germany Italy2–12–1Friendly20.2 June 1994Ernst-Happel-Stadion, Vienna, Austria Austria3–05–1Friendly21.17 June 1994Soldier Field, Chicago, USA Bolivia1–01–0FIFA World Cup 199422.21 June 1994Soldier Field, Chicago, USA Spain1–11–1FIFA World Cup 199423.27 June 1994Cotton Bowl, Dallas, USA South Korea1–03–2FIFA World Cup 199424.27 June 1994Cotton Bowl, Dallas, USA South Korea3–03–2FIFA World Cup 199425.2 July 1994Soldier Field, Chicago, USA Belgium2–13–2FIFA World Cup 199426.16 November 1994Qemal Stafa, Tirana, Albania Albania1–02–1UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying27.14 December 1994Chişinău, Moldova Moldova2–03–0UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying28.18 December 1994Fritz Walter Stadion, Kaiserslautern, Germany Albania2–02–1UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying29.29 March 1995Boris Paichadze Stadium, Tbilisi, Georgia Georgia1–02–0UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying30.29 March 1995Boris Paichadze Stadium, Tbilisi, Georgia Georgia2–02–0UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying31.7 June 1995Vasil Levski National Stadium, Sofia, Bulgaria Bulgaria1–02–3UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying32.11 October 1995Cardiff Arms Park, Cardiff, Wales Wales2–12–1UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying33.15 November 1995Olympic Stadium, Berlin, Germany Bulgaria1–13–1UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying34.15 November 1995Olympic Stadium, Berlin, Germany Bulgaria3–13–1UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying35.24 April 1996Feijenoord Stadion, Rotterdam, Netherlands Netherlands1–01–0Friendly36.4 June 1996Carl-Benz-Stadion, Mannheim, Germany Liechtenstein8–19–1Friendly37.16 June 1996Old Trafford, Manchester, England Russia2–03–0UEFA Euro 199638.16 June 1996Old Trafford, Manchester, England Russia3–03–0UEFA Euro 199639.23 June 1996Old Trafford, Manchester, England Croatia1–02–1UEFA Euro 199640.4 September 1996Ernest Pohl Stadium, Zabrze, Poland Poland2–02–0Friendly41.9 October 1996Hrazdan Stadium, Yerevan, Armenia Armenia2–05–1FIFA World Cup 1998 qualifying42.10 September 1997Westfalenstadion, Dortmund, Germany Armenia1–04–0FIFA World Cup 1998 qualifying43.10 September 1997Westfalenstadion, Dortmund, Germany Armenia2–04–0FIFA World Cup 1998 qualifying44.5 June 1998Carl-Benz-Stadion, Mannheim, Germany Luxembourg2–07–0Friendly45.15 June 1998Parc des Princes, Paris, France United States2–02–0FIFA World Cup 199846.25 June 1998Stade de la Mosson, Montpellier, France Iran2–02–0FIFA World Cup 199847.29 June 1998Stade de la Mosson, Montpellier, France Mexico1–12–1FIFA World Cup 1998

[Hortical]

How yuh fi compare a team playing at home vs overseas. Different vibe & atmosphere dat....

[Me]

Well that is what people used to make the initial comparison that was not in favour of Tappa.

[Bricktop]

Well one played at home...the other on the road...may have a little to do with it...

[Muadib]

oh.. so di road ting is serious.. update X fi mi...

[Dunny]

I'll treat that as a rhetorical question. We cannot compare resources between Tappa and Jurgen so that's out of the equation. "Limited Talent"? Comparatively, is not very far off from the USA in terms of talented players at their disposal. Tappa got his job because of his reputation moreso than Klinsman. So what is the point you are trying to make?


Klinsman's Coaching Achievments (too long to post) but here's what intrigues the most:

German national team
On 26 July 2004, he returned to Germany as the new coach of the national team, succeeding former teammate and strike partner Rudi Völler. Klinsmann subsequently embarked on an aggressive program to revamp the management of the team. Bringing fellow German striker Oliver Bierhoff on board helped diffuse public relations duties of the previous combined post away from the actual coaching aspect of the position. Furthermore, he created a youth movement to breathe life into an aging squad on the heels of a disastrous showing at Euro 2004. In the run up to the 2006 World Cup, Klinsmann attracted criticism from German fans and the media following poor results, such as the 4–1 loss to Italy. A particular subject of criticism was that Klinsmann commuted to Germany from the United States, which was the target of a campaign by the "Bild" tabloid. It should be noted that Klinsmann had previously eliminated some privileges Bild traditionally had with the national team, such as receiving the team lineup the day before a match, and 24/7 exclusive access to the team. His largely offensive tactics have irritated some, who complain that he ignores defensive football. He announced a squad of young players for the 2006 World Cup, basing his selection policy on performance, not reputation.

Klinsmann as manager of Germany in 2005


During the 2005 Confederations Cup, he regularly rotated his goalkeepers regardless of their performances, which drew the ire of Bayern Munich's Oliver Kahn. On 7 April 2006, Klinsmann finally decided to relegate Kahn to the bench and designated Arsenal's Jens Lehmann as his first choice goalkeeper. This choice followed Lehmann's performances in the 2006 Champions League in which his Arsenal team bowed out in the final against Barcelona.
In the 2006 World Cup, the performances of Klinsmann's team silenced his critics. The team recorded three straight wins against Costa Rica, Poland and Ecuador in the first round, earning Germany first place in Group A. The first game of the knock out stage was a 2–0 victory over Sweden, and in the quarter-finals, Klinsmann's team defeated Argentina, winning 4–2 on penalties. The teams drew 1–1 after 120 minutes after an equalising goal from Miroslav Klose in the 80th minute.[19]
In the semi-final on 4 July, Germany lost a close match with Italy 2–0 after goals in the final minutes of extra time from Fabio Grosso and Alessandro Del Piero.[20] After the match, Klinsmann praised the performance of his young team. They beat Portugal 3–1 in the third place play-off, where he played Kahn instead of Jens Lehmann.[21] The victory triggered a massive Berlin parade the following day where Klinsmann and the team were honoured by the public.
Afterward, Franz Beckenbauer, previously a strident critic of Klinsmann's, declared his desire to see Klinsmann continue as coach. There was also widespread public support for Klinsmann due to his team's spirit and attacking style of play. The team's strong performance is thought by some to have renewed national pride and restored Germany's reputation as a top footballing nation. Due to his success coaching the national team, Klinsmann was awarded the Bundesverdienstkreuz. He was even referred to as "Kaiser", a term meaning "emperor" in German, usually reserved for German footballing greats, e.g. Franz Beckenbauer.
Despite the highly acclaimed performance at the World Cup and the praise earned, Klinsmann declined to renew his contract, informing the DFB of his decision on 11 July 2006. The decision was officially announced by the DFB on the 12 July 2006. Klinsmann's assistant Joachim Löw was appointed as the new head trainer at the same press conference.[22][23] Klinsmann said "My big wish is to go back to my family, to go back to leading a normal life with them ... After two years of putting in a lot of energy, I feel I lack the power and the strength to continue in the same way."[

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International goals#DateVenueOpponentScoreResultCompetition1.27 April 1988Fritz Walter Stadion, Kaiserslautern, West Germany Switzerland1–01–0Friendly2.14 June 1988Parkstadion, Gelsenkirchen, West Germany Denmark1–02–0UEFA Euro 19883.4 October 1989Westfalenstadion, Dortmund, West Germany Finland3–06–1FIFA World Cup 1990 qualifying4.25 April 1990Neckarstadion, Stuttgart, West Germany Uruguay3–23–3Friendly5.10 June 1990Stadio Giuseppe Meazza, Milan, Italy Yugoslavia2–04–1FIFA World Cup 19906.15 June 1990Stadio Giuseppe Meazza, Milan, Italy United Arab Emirates2–05–1FIFA World Cup 19907.24 June 1990Stadio Giuseppe Meazza, Milan, Italy Netherlands1–02–1FIFA World Cup 19908.10 October 1990Råsunda Stadium, Stockholm, Sweden Sweden1–03–1Friendly9.31 October 1990Stade Josy Barthel, Luxembourg, Luxembourg Luxembourg1–03–2UEFA Euro 1992 qualifying10.18 June 1992Ullevi, Gothenburg, Sweden Netherlands1–21–3UEFA Euro 199211.20 December 1992Estadio Centenario, Montevideo, Uruguay Uruguay4–04–1Friendly12.14 April 1993Ruhrstadion, Bochum, Germany Ghana3–16–1Friendly13.14 April 1993Ruhrstadion, Bochum, Germany Ghana5–16–1Friendly14.10 June 1993Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium, Washington, D.C., USA Brazil1–33–3U.S. Cup15.10 June 1993Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium, Washington, D.C., USA Brazil3–33–3U.S. Cup16.13 June 1993Soldier Field, Chicago, USA United States1–04–3U.S. Cup17.19 June 1993Silverdome, Pontiac, USA England2–12–1U.S. Cup18.23 March 1994Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion, Stuttgart, Germany Italy1–12–1Friendly19.23 March 1994Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion, Stuttgart, Germany Italy2–12–1Friendly20.2 June 1994Ernst-Happel-Stadion, Vienna, Austria Austria3–05–1Friendly21.17 June 1994Soldier Field, Chicago, USA Bolivia1–01–0FIFA World Cup 199422.21 June 1994Soldier Field, Chicago, USA Spain1–11–1FIFA World Cup 199423.27 June 1994Cotton Bowl, Dallas, USA South Korea1–03–2FIFA World Cup 199424.27 June 1994Cotton Bowl, Dallas, USA South Korea3–03–2FIFA World Cup 199425.2 July 1994Soldier Field, Chicago, USA Belgium2–13–2FIFA World Cup 199426.16 November 1994Qemal Stafa, Tirana, Albania Albania1–02–1UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying27.14 December 1994Chişinău, Moldova Moldova2–03–0UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying28.18 December 1994Fritz Walter Stadion, Kaiserslautern, Germany Albania2–02–1UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying29.29 March 1995Boris Paichadze Stadium, Tbilisi, Georgia Georgia1–02–0UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying30.29 March 1995Boris Paichadze Stadium, Tbilisi, Georgia Georgia2–02–0UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying31.7 June 1995Vasil Levski National Stadium, Sofia, Bulgaria Bulgaria1–02–3UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying32.11 October 1995Cardiff Arms Park, Cardiff, Wales Wales2–12–1UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying33.15 November 1995Olympic Stadium, Berlin, Germany Bulgaria1–13–1UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying34.15 November 1995Olympic Stadium, Berlin, Germany Bulgaria3–13–1UEFA Euro 1996 qualifying35.24 April 1996Feijenoord Stadion, Rotterdam, Netherlands Netherlands1–01–0Friendly36.4 June 1996Carl-Benz-Stadion, Mannheim, Germany Liechtenstein8–19–1Friendly37.16 June 1996Old Trafford, Manchester, England Russia2–03–0UEFA Euro 199638.16 June 1996Old Trafford, Manchester, England Russia3–03–0UEFA Euro 199639.23 June 1996Old Trafford, Manchester, England Croatia1–02–1UEFA Euro 199640.4 September 1996Ernest Pohl Stadium, Zabrze, Poland Poland2–02–0Friendly41.9 October 1996Hrazdan Stadium, Yerevan, Armenia Armenia2–05–1FIFA World Cup 1998 qualifying42.10 September 1997Westfalenstadion, Dortmund, Germany Armenia1–04–0FIFA World Cup 1998 qualifying43.10 September 1997Westfalenstadion, Dortmund, Germany Armenia2–04–0FIFA World Cup 1998 qualifying44.5 June 1998Carl-Benz-Stadion, Mannheim, Germany Luxembourg2–07–0Friendly45.15 June 1998Parc des Princes, Paris, France United States2–02–0FIFA World Cup 199846.25 June 1998Stade de la Mosson, Montpellier, France Iran2–02–0FIFA World Cup 199847.29 June 1998Stade de la Mosson, Montpellier, France Mexico1–12–1FIFA World Cup 1998

This is Klinnsman 3rd coaching job right? Have you got to be a genius to manage Germany and Bayern Munich with all them clout and investment? Germany have Success in them DNA, Bayern Munich have one of the best set up in World football so Klinnsman being a genius manager does not wash with me. Let him prove himself with the USA national team and then he will go up in my estimation. I want you to remember that Jamaica will play them at least twice in the near future, so be careful before you make any conclusion!!

[Bricktop]

One coach have got limited Talent at his disposal and the other as gotten into some top jobs because of his reputation as a player.

Tappa got the coaching job because he has limited talent at his disposal?

[Jangle]

Lol...now I understand what Lazie goes through when he argues with posters like you. When faced with evidence to debunk your points, you move the end line. You should run for politricks....hehehe... Who said anything about Klinsman being a "genius"?

Ok since you "missed" the essence of the article, I'll highlight it for you.

On 26 July 2004, he returned to Germany as the new coach of the national team, succeeding former teammate and strike partner Rudi Völler. Klinsmann subsequently embarked on an aggressive program to revamp the management of the team. (A coach with a vision and a plan )

His largely offensive tactics have irritated some, who complain that he ignores defensive football. He announced a squad of young players for the 2006 World Cup, basing his selection policy on performance, not reputation. (Xcuse will love that part) I am gobsmacked how dare him

...but I am a friggin idiot because winning the Caribbean Cup must rank higher than coming third in a World Cup.