So Pep Guardiola walking away? As soon as they

[Lazie]

lose they run away? Jose did it at Chelsea now Pep doing it? Dats why respect due to Fergie and Wenger .... dem man deh build and rebuild.

[Dunny]

Jose didn't walk away from Chelsea, him got sacked!!

[Karl]

lose they run away? Jose did it at Chelsea now Pep doing it? Dats why respect due to Fergie and Wenger .... dem man deh build and rebuild.

Money?
Chelsea project?
Just asking!

[Jangle]

Sorry Mr President but you need to take Wenger out of it. The Egyptians built the pyramids quicker than it's going to take Wenger to build back a winning side. He is still in his rebuuilding stage, but he forgot to put some steel in his foundation.

[Paul Marin]

lose they run away? Jose did it at Chelsea now Pep doing it? Dats why respect due to Fergie and Wenger .... dem man deh build and rebuild.

Lazie - England historically has longer serving managers than their European counterparts in their top clubs.

For example, in Spain, the longest serving manager has been in the job since 2006 (Sporting Gijon's Manuel Preciado); the second longest serving manager - Pep Guardiola - has been in the job since 2008...even though I don't think anyone would call Gijon a "top club".

By contrast, the top three managers in the Prem have served 26 yrs (Slurgie), 16 yrs (Wenger) and 10 yrs (Moyes). When Jupp Heynckes (Bayern's current coach) won the Champions League with Real Madrid in 1998 - he was fired!!! They said that was because they finished 4th in the league, but in 2002, when Del Bosque won both the La Liga title and the UCL again for RM (and after he put them back on the best run they had had in 30/40 years in terms of titles/cups in the 4 years he was at the club), they fired him too!!! Another one off? I don't think so. In 2007 after Capello won the title with them, they let him go too. This would never happen in England.

While RM may be a bit extreme, my point is that if you look around Europe at all the top teams in all the top leagues, there is no long-standing manager in any of them. In England, fail and you *may* get a chance to rebuild...not so the case in Europe...although one could argue that at Madrid, success is no guarantee of job security either.

[Dunny]

James Lawton: Guardiola has shirked football's greatest test – rebuilding a team




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Pep Guardiola was more concerned about the pressure heaping on his shoulders than inspiring Leo Messi to greater deeds
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Let's agree that Pep Guardiola, having inherited the greatest concentration of beautifully groomed talent in modern football – the core of which in two years won the European Championship and World Cup under the separate leadership of such crusty old characters as Luis Aragones and Vicente del Bosque – did some wonderful, luminous work in his four-year stint at the Nou Camp.
This, surely, is giving the apparently jaded young Caesar of coaching not a centavo more than his due. However, it is still necessary, rather than **********rdly, to say that some of the eulogies that came yesterday when he announced his need for a year-long sabbatical flew so far over the top they were in danger of collecting snow up in the sierra.
Firmly in this category, you have to believe, is the widely accepted belief that Roman Abramovich is in a fever to sign the coach who has, like it or not, walked away from the most basic challenge that can ever face a heavyweight member of his trade.
It is the obligation to re-make a great team, not as the kind of much-trumpeted "project" so haplessly announced by the ill-fated Andres Villas-Boas at Chelsea, but as a seamless response to evidence that a once superb team is in need of some re-shaping.
Maybe the requirement is major surgery; perhaps it is just a nip and a tuck. This is not of ultimate importance, not compared to the vital need for new sense where a deeply frustrated team is heading.
Certainly in the case of a team as stocked with natural-born brilliance as Barça you have to believe that some measured tinkering would be an adequate response.
Messi, Xavi and Iniesta didn't shed their reputation as one of the most sublimely effective triumvirates in the history of football against Real Madrid and Chelsea. They suggested a pressing need for a shift in direction, a little new impetus and inspiration, which of course was the job of their extravagantly lauded coach.
Instead, Guardiola seemed rather more concerned about the accumulation of pressure heaping on his shoulders. Yesterday he had some of the manner of a martyr, not least when saying things like: "Four years is enough – to be in the face of the media every three days for four years is demanding" and "I'm going with the understanding that I have done my duty." With a yearly roll-over contract, the latter point can hardly be disputed.
Yet unease over the heroic profile is not so easy to dismiss.
A number of great managers – starting with Jose Mourinho – might say the ordeal of the bi-weekly press call is somewhat reduced when you can spend at least some parts of the other five days reading that your only remaining challenge is to walk on water.
Abramovich, we know, became increasingly restive when some sections of the English media took a similar stance on Mourinho. Could it now be that he believes pretty much everything he reads about Guardiola? If it is so, he might well be advised to let the Catalan paragon smell the flowers for a while and grant a little more time to Roberto di Matteo, who didn't walk into the most flourishing culture in the world game but a club breaking up before our eyes.
Maybe Guardiola is being merely smart. Perhaps he is going to the bank where he has such huge reserves to cash in a little breathing space. His kudos is so massive that he may well be able to afford to hand the reins to his Man Friday Tito Vilanova for a year, then return, perhaps after the signing of someone like Robin van Persie and an adjustment to the role of Messi, and then face the future again with a fresh set of garlands.
In the meantime, Abramovich might ponder the fact that he would be giving Guardiola precisely the chore that was dumped into the lap of Di Matteo. This was to create something positive from what had come to resemble a football version of civil war.
We have to wait for the Champions League and FA Cup finals against the impressive Bayern Munich and, surely on this occasion, a highly motivated Liverpool, to know quite the extent of the temporary manager's achievement but already it is not much short of breathtaking.
If we get right down to it, he has done something that was expected of Guardiola before the pivotal games with Real Madrid and Chelsea. He gave his players a sense of who they were and what they might just achieve. If neither of his game-plans lifted the soul, they certainly brought the possibilities down to earth.
Guardiola, who confirmed that yesterday's announcement was of a decision that had been fixed in his mind for at least six months, apparently had nothing new to offer before the trials at the Bernabeu and Nou Camp. He invited Messi and Xavi and Iniesta to do for him all those things that were bequeathed when he took office; all those components of a beautiful, relentless system invigorated by endless, at times impossible, skill.
In fact Guardiola was suggesting strongly that he might walk away as long ago as last spring. In some ways it dominated the aftermath of Messi's brilliant dissection of Manchester United at Wembley. When Sir Alex Ferguson was told of the possibility he had just a few words of caution for his young conqueror, saying that in the football life it was a rare privilege indeed to work with the likes of Messi and the players who augmented his genius so perfectly. Indeed, it was something that might never come again.
That, anyway, was the reflection of a football man not without certain achievement, one who was already facing again the need to build a fourth team carrying his signature. It is, of course, the tyranny that football sooner or later imposes on everyone, this requirement to make a new side. Maybe Guardiola knows it well enough – and was yesterday merely delaying the end of a charmed existence.
Gridiron now offers road out of the ghetto
There are many reasons for the dispiriting decline of heavy-weight boxing as a front-rank spectacle and we were reminded of one of them yesterday when the Seattle Seahawks made Bruce Irwin the 15th pick in the first round of the National Football League draft.
Irwin is a people-eating defensive end who made his name with the University of West Virginia. He covers the ground at such a bewildering rate that some of his team-mates gave him the pet name cheetah. He was also the waking nightmare of college football's most upwardly mobile quarter-backs.
Yet when you look into his background as a lawless youth on the streets of Atlanta, and note that last month he was charged with the destruction of property and disorderly conduct, you know precisely where Bruce Irwin's athletic prowess and power would have been directed a mere 20 years ago. It would have been into the ring. Now there are other roads out of the ghetto, which is good news for disenfranchised street kids and maybe a theme for an emerging cabaret star named Mike Tyson.
Terry would do better to sit in the shadows
While Uefa says that John Terry will be permitted to raise up the Champions League trophy if his Chelsea team-mates, for a second time, overcome their captain's absence from the field, the Premier League has absolved Anton Ferdinand from the need to shake hands with the man he accuses of racial abuse.
When you also remember the division he caused before the last World Cup, and that England are still without a manager so close to the European Championship partly because of Fabio Capello's stand on Terry's behalf, it is not easy to quantify the disruptive impact of a man who has been so well rewarded by the game he professes to love.
One thing is certain. It is that Terry, who has of course provided superb service to Chelsea down the years, might retrieve some respect if he said that in Munich nothing would become him more than the lowest possible profile. He should think about it more carefully than he has so many things in his too often self-destructive life