King Kenny and Suarez better get

[Peter R]

After a few weeks, months or whatever, you know that doing that in Canada is a no no... bear in mind when you answer, if you do that Suare is not a native speaker of the language... I had dealings with a young french girl once and she would use the word "sh!t" at the most inappropriate moment... I don't know what went on in Suarez mind but I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt... given Evra's history (which may not be fair to him, Evra) and what I saw on the TV.

[Gamma]

Gamma - you were going well for a moment there, but you descended into the depths of Lazie-ism with this last post. I will stick to the debatable aspects of the argument and steer clear of the emotional components ("cheat" - we've been down that road before - so let's not go there) As for "liar", I don't know what the basis of that statement is, maybe you can help me with that claim.

The above aside, I completely agree that Liverpool let Suarez down. I said it before, Suarez was a victim of his own naivite, poor Liverpool administration of the matter and p-i-ss poor lawyers.

As for the "patting on the head", it is done all day long in football...you and I both know that he was not being aggressive or deprecating in the gesture. Whether he is 'innocent' or not is something that we won't ever REALLY know as he was never given a fair trial and all we have to go on is "evra's word". Go to the bank on that one. LOL!!!

If I felt someone had racially abused me and then patted me on the head I would not be a happy camper, would you? And we know evra felt that be was racially abused ergo the pat takes on a different different perspective

[Paul Marin]

you reaching... that happened to us in Sweden.. the bredda from wolves says mate do you have a fag to my bredin.. my bredin an ignant polish canadian say you want what... then we understood... but you stretch this to i dont talk to blackies??? so if he said i dont talk to black people thats ok?

OJ - in your example in Sweden, they quickly understood there was a misunderstanding. There was no opportunity for that in the Suarez/Evra case on the field because Evra was in the man face like an eejit. However, they are footballers...so that's that. The FA had every bit of opportunity to recognize that there was a misunderstanding before they brought charges, but they didn't for reasons that I can speculate on, but I'll leave that be. Then they made matters worse by running a kangaroo court to convict the man. We can't have that level of incompetence when it comes to accusations as serious as this. Simple.

[Gamma]

unacceptable PM. the man feels like he been racially abused and he must accept a pat on the head on top of it?

i think by now everything that can be said has been said and quite frankly the attempt to transfer responsibility to evra is pathetic. he played a role but suarez is the main reason, followed by LFC and KD and then perhaps evra and the FA.

does anyone think that if suarez had apologised it would reach where it has now? in fact the burden would then have been shifted to evra and in my opinion despite NOT having received an apology evra was willing to shake suarez' hand!

[Paul Marin]

unacceptable PM. the man feels like he been racially abused and he must accept a pat on the head on top of it?

i think by now everything that can be said has been said and quite frankly the attempt to transfer responsibility to evra is pathetic. he played a role but suarez is the main reason, followed by LFC and KD and then perhaps evra and the FA.

does anyone think that if suarez had apologised it would reach where it has now? in fact the burden would then have been shifted to evra and in my opinion despite NOT having received an apology evra was willing to shake suarez' hand!

I don't know if you're referring to me, but I did not try to transfer responsibility to Evra. I don't like Evra never have but I would not deny him his right to pursue justice. The issue as I said in the post before your response was one of a gross misunderstanding that any donkey can decipher after the first 10 pages of the report. The proceedings and the FA's motives are a big problem for me (as is the way in which the club first handled it).

[Gamma]

that give a likkle more clarity to your thought process. if i accept that it was a gross misunderstanding, again suarez' response to it (refusing to to apologise and saying he did nothing wrong, is a far cry from saying "wait a minute there is a misunderstanding here, that is not what i intended and if it came across that way, i am sorry) went a looooong way towards throwing gasoline on the fire and LFC completely dropped the ball there which i now think was also a disservice to suarez!

[Paul Marin]

that give a likkle more clarity to your thought process. if i accept that it was a gross misunderstanding, again suarez' response to it (refusing to to apologise and saying he did nothing wrong, is a far cry from saying "wait a minute there is a misunderstanding here, that is not what i intended and if it came across that way, i am sorry) went a looooong way towards throwing gasoline on the fire and LFC completely dropped the ball there which i now think was also a disservice to suarez!

Finally you get it. There was zero chance that Suarez could have said anything without the club or legal advice, so to blame him for not apologizing is ludicrous. You can blame him for the handshake fiasco (which was selfish and not in the interests of the club) but not for the apology to the initial affair. That was the club administration's fault.

If you had been paying attention in class you would have recalled I said in this post: http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/s...yer#post339856

"Suarez in my opinion is no victim other than the victim of poor administration by the club, poor legal representation and a flawed tribunal process. I doesn't take much to realize his lawyer was off his game and that the tribunal's process and findings were inconsistent. If you read the report, it is SHOCKING how many disparities are in it. I could write an entire dissertation on the flaws in their report, not the least of which were a "Findings of Fact" which were nothing more than Evra's side of the story."

Welcome to the side of reason.

[Gamma]

we might be a cross purposes here don't gellup too far wid it ... i agree that it should have been dealt with as a misunderstanding and i have stated repeatedly than an apology was in order ....

the FA however is Waaaaaay down the list in terms of where the fault lies. suarez must take responsibility for himself. the club let him down yes but him is a big man suh he must take responsibility ofr his own actions.

[Paul Marin]

we might be a cross purposes here don't gellup too far wid it ... i agree that it should have been dealt with as a misunderstanding and i have stated repeatedly than an apology was in order ....

the FA however is Waaaaaay down the list in terms of where the fault lies. suarez must take responsibility for himself. the club let him down yes but him is a big man suh he must take responsibility ofr his own actions.

No issue there about him taking responsibility for his own actions, but that doesn't mean that he should be subject to a unjust process. So while I agree that the matter was handled poorly, and that the club may have avoided the FA's charge if they went about it differently, we can't let the FA off the hook either. Their process was unfair and served no purpose other than to taint the club, the league and the player and worst, do nothing to advance the cause of kicking racism out of football.

[Rockman]

Gosh, to think Evra emerged as the bad guy is troubling.
I think the lack of Suarez willingness to shake Evra's hand and his verbal abuse of Evra are linked by his insensitivity to Evra, it was just a continuation of the first flawed act.

[Paul Marin]

Gosh, to think Evra emerged as the bad guy is troubling.
I think the lack of Suarez willingness to shake Evra's hand and his verbal abuse of Evra are linked by his insensitivity to Evra, it was just a continuation of the first flawed act.

Rockman - Evra being the bad guy is the least of the issues. The most troubling of issues is the process by which justice was dispensed. I have said repeatedly that this is a case of one gross misunderstanding.

Now - to be clear - I am not an Evra fan, I have NEVER liked him, but the system has to be fair to him as well. I think he was petty, bwoyish and completely wrong in his interpretation of what Suarez said but I totally protect his right to complain.

Now, that complaint, and the resolution of the issue has to be fair to him, just as it has to be fair to Suarez. It was not fair to Suarez. Anyone who investigates this and reads the report will see that the facts bear this out. Evra cannot be blamed for the process and cannot be castigated for complaining...even if he was the devil himself, he has that right to complain and to a fair hearing.