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  • "Be careful what you wish for"-Gary Neville

    Those fans who criticise Wenger should be careful what they wish for

    By GARY NEVILLE
    Last updated at 2:01 AM on 14th August 2011

    The headlines everywhere are saying Arsene Wenger is in trouble. That he's under pressure. They'll be asking if his time is up at Arsenal. Because there is no getting away from it, if Cesc Fabregas joins Barcelona this week it will be a big blow to the club.


    But here's the question you have to ask: who's the clever one and who are the dummies? Arsene Wenger has qualified for the Champions League every season since 1998. And Arsenal are making money as a club, not losing millions.

    So they haven't won a trophy for six years? Well, Manchester United went 26 years without winning the league, Liverpool have now gone 21 years without the title and Manchester City went 35 years without winning a trophy. Tottenham have gone 50 years without winning the league.



    Right man: Arsenal will not find a better manager than Arsene Wenger

    I grew up as a United fan in the Seventies and Eighties when the club won three trophies in 20 years.

    It's not easy. Sometimes you have cycles where trophies are hard to come by. What you don't do is panic when you have the right manager.
    This is a manager who has won three Premier League titles and taken Arsenal to a Champions League final. Can a manager come to the end of his road at a club? Yes, he can. But I don't actually believe Arsene Wenger has. I believe he is the right manager for Arsenal.

    In the last six years, it's been clear that Arsenal have not been able to spend huge amounts on the team because they've invested £390million in a stadium to set themselves up for the next 60 years, not for the next six years. They've invested in the infrastructure of the club and it's a sustainable model. That's why in 50 years' time, Arsenal will still be a great football club.



    Exodus: Cesc Fabregas (right) and Samir Nasri (centre) are set to leave

    Six years is nothing. These spells happen. In 100 years' time people will look at those six years and say: 'To be honest, we weren't able to spend £70m, or even £30m, every year, because we had just built the most incredible stadium.' And I'll tell you what, when that stadium is paid for in 15 years' time and when there are 60,000 people paying what they pay, week in, week out, Arsenal will be in a great position. You make decisions for the long term. You don't go and cripple yourself financially and I believe Arsenal will be successful long after we've gone.

    If you buy a house, you're investing for 20 years of your life. And in those first few years, when the mortgage payments are a bit tough, unfortunately you might have to cut down on your holidays. That's the equivalent of what Arsene Wenger has done these last six years.

    He is trying to produce players through his youth system and trying to find them through his scouting network and it's a sustainable model. And that's why Arsenal will still be around as a great football club in decades to come.



    Sustainable model: Wenger has built a legacy at Arsenal

    At this moment in time everyone will be panicking that they might be losing Fabregas. But this is about 125 years of history at a football club and going on for another 100 years. I've been around football long enough to see teams come and go, like Blackburn Rovers did in the Nineties. This is not about producing a football team that can be successful in the next 10 minutes.

    Of course, everyone wants instant success, but the most important thing is that you have a tradition running through your club that identifies your values. That's what I think Arsenal have. I would be frustrated if I was an Arsenal fan, but I wouldn't be panicking and that's not being condescending or patronising. I'd be saying exactly the same if it were United. In fact, you've seen it at United.

    When Sir Alex Ferguson sold Mark Hughes, Andrei Kanchelskis and Paul Ince in 1995 and Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt, David Beckham, myself and my brother Phil were breaking into the team, the headline in the Manchester Evening News was: 'Should Fergie Go?' People from outside can be begging you to sign a player, but it can galvanise the players internally to come together.



    One for the future: Aaron Ramsey will be at Arsenal for years to come

    More from Gary Neville...




    Look at Jack Wilshere and Aaron Ramsey and the opportunities that exist for them. Wilshere has already seized his chance and now Ramsey also has the opportunity to become a top player at a top club.

    If you asked Arsene Wenger whether he would like to sign one or two players before the end of the transfer window, then I'm sure he would say: 'Absolutely.' But if you're asking me if he should rush in a panic and spend £30m, I would say not only that he shouldn't, but also that I don't think he would do that. And if I were an Arsenal fan, I would support him in that.

    When United sold Cristiano Ronaldo in similar circumstances for £80m, everyone thought the money would be shelled out straight away. But Sir Alex Ferguson decided to sit back, watch and wait and believe in the players he had. And during that time he won a league title and reached a Champions League final.



    Top class: Jack Wilshere has become a brilliant player under Wenger's guidance

    Arsene Wenger will do something similar if he can't find what he believes to be value. He's just bought Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain for the future, so why spend £25m on somebody whose price will be inflated? It wouldn't surprise me that, if he feels he is having the mickey taken by other clubs, he just sat there and said: 'I believe in my young players.'

    Of course, everyone can see that they would be helped by some core defensive players in the English style (but it's not as if they haven't been trying to sign them). Of course, they have to cut out the mistakes that saw them lose a 4-0 lead at Newcastle last season and improve at set-pieces. And, right now, United, Chelsea and possibly City look stronger title contenders. But I wouldn't write them off. I've had too many tough contests with Wenger's teams over the years to do that.

    Would any other manager have extracted more from those players and been able to draw so many young players through to the top level and create such a great team for so little money? The answer is there is only one other man who has done that in the Premier League.

    Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for.


    Last edited by Karl; August 14, 2011, 04:17 PM.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Dunny View Post
    [ they've invested £390million in a stadium to set themselves up for the next 60 years, not for the next six years. They've invested in the infrastructure of the club and it's a sustainable model. That's why in 50 years' time, Arsenal will still be a great football club.
    First time in the history of the world that Gary "ratboy" Neville mek any sense. I have long said that Arsenal have the best model around; the system Wenger put in place will survive him as long as they realize that the profitability of the club comes before the silverware.
    "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

    X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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    • #3
      That said Wenger has made some transfer errors. A 25 million pound player a season would have won them the Prem 2 years ago.
      THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

      "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


      "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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      • #4
        yuh love spend people money eh?

        Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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        • #5
          Originally posted by X View Post
          That said Wenger has made some transfer errors. A 25 million pound player a season would have won them the Prem 2 years ago.
          how many millions did Rafa spend and still couldnt win the title?
          Sunday, August 28th, 2011. We will never forget !!

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          • #6
            Go GUNNERS! Go Arsene Wenger!

            Another season of beautiful football for the fans. Hopefully a season with silverware. One thing we know the GUNNERS shall be right there in the top teams at end of the season.

            Most managers would die for the records of those seasons of Arsene's supposed failures.

            FORWARDS GUNNERS!
            "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Karl View Post
              Another season of beautiful football for the fans. Hopefully a season with silverware. One thing we know the GUNNERS shall be right there in the top teams at end of the season.

              Most managers would die for the records of those seasons of Arsene's supposed failures.

              FORWARDS GUNNERS!
              Sorry boss, but this is the year that you will fall out of the top 4 - just keep filling the Emirates stadium and win a cup or two, that's all you need till unu pay off the stadium in 10 years (which ain't that far away). After that, with the right manager (it won't be Wenger) you will start see silver flow.

              Last year, unu blew winning the Carling Cup, but that is where u are now - a cup team, but there ain't nothing wrong with that. When Manu** debt crush dem, your team will still be there. That I guarantee.
              "H.L & Brick .....mi deh pan di wagon (Man City)" - X_____ http://www.reggaeboyzsc.com/forum1/showthread.php?p=378365&highlight=City+Liverpool#p ost378365

              X DESCRIBES HIMSELF - Stop masquerading as if you have the clubs interest at heart, you are a fraud, always was and always will be in any and every thing that you present...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Paul Marin View Post
                Sorry boss, but this is the year that you will fall out of the top 4
                You may be proven right...but yuh dun kno I hope you are proven wrong!

                - just keep filling the Emirates stadium
                That we will.

                ...and win a cup or two, that's all you need till unu pay off the stadium in 10 years (which ain't that far away).
                Those we shall do

                After that, with the right manager (it won't be Wenger) you will start see silver flow.
                After 10 years...Wenger?
                10 years is a long time for a Manager to remain with 1 club...but we shall see.

                Last year, unu blew winning the Carling Cup, but that is where u are now - a cup team, but there ain't nothing wrong with that. When Manu** debt crush dem, your team will still be there. That I guarantee.
                Cup team only?
                No sah!

                This unit is also very good. ...and we wish Cesc and Narsi well...except when they meet the GUNNERS!

                ...and the GUNNERS not having those debt problems ManU shall have to attempt dodging?

                Agreed!
                "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                • #9
                  The Gunners will continue to over achieve and yes they will still be in the top four!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Paul Marin View Post
                    Sorry boss, but this is the year that you will fall out of the top 4 - just keep filling the Emirates stadium and win a cup or two, that's all you need till unu pay off the stadium in 10 years (which ain't that far away). After that, with the right manager (it won't be Wenger) you will start see silver flow.

                    Last year, unu blew winning the Carling Cup, but that is where u are now - a cup team, but there ain't nothing wrong with that. When Manu** debt crush dem, your team will still be there. That I guarantee.
                    "When Manu** debt crush dem, your team will still be there. That I guarantee" Har Har Har .... Paul, how long unuh been praying for that? The debt is a burden, but it seems to be more of a burden for you than for the Empire.

                    3 points in the bag? 80 more to go. Jangle, Siccko ... wha unuh say? Twenteeeeeeeee!
                    "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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                    • #11
                      I watched that opening game against Newcastle and we still play that beautiful game. ...and we still need that predator up front.

                      Yes! Like you I am expecting us to be in the top 4. A trophy is a possibility. The team will grow.
                      "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                      • #12
                        Cho Mr. President, I am going to try to be civil and less condescending this season to my fellow forumites....especially to the fans of the little club at Ansfield.



                        Whooooiiieee that's not me.........!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwoy some people come and a talk bout Andy Carrol a di greatest, while some odder people a present statistics like dem a computer. All I know is that come May the Empire will be singing..............http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur18Lwc94_Y
                        Hey .. look at the bright side .... at least you're not a Liverpool fan! - Lazie 2/24/10 Paul Marin -19 is one thing, 20 is a whole other matter. It gets even worse if they win the UCL. *groan*. 05/18/2011.MU fans naah cough, but all a unuh a vomit?-Lazie 1/11/2015

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                        • #13
                          luis suarez (SPIT) is the fox in the box that arsenal has been looking for since francis jeffers' days.

                          Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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