the inequality is becoming a little bit obvious

[The Emperor]

<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">i have had the wonderful privilege of meeting quite a few of the ones on this forum and one of the things that holds true with each of the ones is the high level of intelligence. all the ones on here seem to be well read and well learned. therefore,i think it is safe to conclude that this forum consists of a group of highly intelligent and well bright people. given that facti would like to think that the ones all have a mind of their own and can reason well and draw their own conclusions from stated facts.i would also be willing to bet that each individual on here is able to reason a particular discussion point without clouding the issue with unrelated facts just to “grandstand” or have a say in the discussion.<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">however, quite ofteni find that not to be the case. two perfect examples are shatta’s piece on onandi lowe, and wheneveri have anything positive to say about claude <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comffice:smarttags" /><st1:City><st1lace>davis</st1lace></st1:City>.<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">shatta was simply relating to lowes disgust at the refs continual non calls for fouls on him. he cited similar reactions by top professionals as his revelation that onandi may have had a point all along. the man was even man enough to apologize to onandi for not having being there for him. most of the responses seem to focus on onandi’s indiscipline and pass transgressions instead of the point at hand. some of the ones even attack the ras and essentially called him a mad man.<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">isee the same thing happen wheneveri speak about claude. it is beyond me to comprehend how the ones can be so hung up on the past that they cannot discuss a particular point without introducing their “fond” memories that in most cases have nothing to do with the point. asi watched s<st1lace>heffield</st1lace> united beat my side first saturday,i was tempted to post whati thought about the game on here.i decided not to for two reasons.<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">primarily,i was too upset at the performance my side turned in to discuss the game. more importantly however,i would have heaped praises on claude for his contribution to sheffield’s victory.i know that would have drawn out the regular suspects with their memories of an immature, “normal Jamaican defender”, under 23 claude.i wasn’t in the mood for that kind of discussion soi kept quite.<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">this forum seems to have laws for different cliques.i cannot see another reason why a bunch of such intellects can conveniently totally miss so many points.<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o></o><P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in

[Brush]

RE: the inequality is becoming a little bit obvious

NIIICCCEEEE!!!!

[Sir X]

RE: the inequality is becoming a little bit obvious

Well said !

I too stayed away from Shatta post , to see the expected venom to be spewed, twisted and turned to justify the debasement of SIR LOWE . I have said it all along in our last WC campaign that we need to be vocal in support of Lowe when he plays in Concacaf .

The otherpoint is the media campaign by our central american adversaries to brand us as too physical.Is it justified ?

My answer isNO , our brand of football is dictated by the leagues our players ply thier trade in and the english leagues is noted as the most physical league in the world,it is also known as one of the richest league in the world if not the richest with one of the highest tactical bar in football, so do the refs in concacaf know how to control such a physical game with our RBYZ ? will we get calls for or against us ?

From what history has shown me the answer is NO we dont get the match winning calls for us ! I have seen our boyz malinged by incompetent BIASED refs in concacaf , from the youth teams to the senior teams.I would say if you compare the free flowing games of the MEX and USA leagues compared to the fast paced physical nature of the english leagues those refs would be lost if asked to officiate a match in that league .

I will 2nd what you and shatta advocate that the JFF,mediaand fans needs to be more vocal in thierphyscological media orientated support of ourRBYZ, if the Mexican T.D can say we are a physical team then the JFF must recognise the mediasavy of theinsinuation to draw favour fromthe ref.

The JFFcan surely say we expect to get fair calls and good unbiased officiating in our media fight for a fair playing field.

Not even that seems to be forthcoming from this JFForganization or the media that supports our RBYZ..

[Tilla]

RE: the inequality is becoming a little bit obvious

Emperor, I know your words might be as well directed at your's truly. I initially chastised Shatta for digging up something to continually put Nandi on a pedestal as we have seen him and X done so much in the past. Anyway, after talking with Shatta off line, I was then brought to see his point of view he was trying to express in his post. It is either that I was too hasty to brush aside Shatta's post, or I just took it as another of his rants which is not going anywhere.

Anyway, suffice it to say, I apologized to Shatta and was in full agreement with his point of view thereafter. It is a known fact that players in CONCACAF would ride Nandi like a ladder or donkey and the referees would do nothing about it. I was even saying to Shatta that may our TD and JFF officials should be highlighting this treatment in the media and see if it would not stop. As a matter of fact, take it to FIFA if necessary with game tapes etc. Yes, I can remember even under Clovis, the USA's players gave the man hell in Jamaica and there were no calls.

i know if claude had punched van persie first saturday and not morgan it would have been one of the most talked about topics on here.

Emperor, what would you expect? Most of us do not care about Morgan anyway, so why would they comment about it? Claude is ours and we should be feel free to criticize when we feel it is necessary. I have not had anything bad to say about the man's game since I have been watching him in the EPL. I give him his props all the time. As my mother would say anyhow "fowl nah goh mash dem chicken hot".

when some man talk on this forum they get the ultimate raspect. if there point is not clear clarity is respectfully sought.i conclude that it is as a result of three things; the clique you belong to, who you are talking about and what you are talking about. some ones point are appreciloved more than others, some of the people we talk about are disliked and some of us just do not apprecilove the truth.

I think you command respect with the way you present yourself. If you portray the image of the court jester whether in real life on online, then don't exect people to take you seriously. People tend not to take Shatta seriously as he always comes out beating his chest and calling himself forum guru, etc, etc. I am sure if he just comes out and present his points without the excess self praise and unnecessary verbal shenanigans, then he will be just fine. I frankly do not see any cliques on here.. . But then who am I to say? As far as I can tell, you could well have me in a clique too.

[Assasin]

RE: the inequality is becoming a little bit obvious

Don't be dispear mi brethren. Trust me you get the respect if you fall in line. You have to choose to fall in line or point out the problems and seek solution.

Respect is not that important for me.

[Gamma]

RE: the inequality is becoming a little bit obvious

i too apologise to my liverpool friends!

[Hortical]

RE: the inequality is becoming a little bit obvious

Emperor the man nuffi get too stressed and nuh fi tek comments personal on this forum. Often time Shatta will mek certain comments to provoke a reaction.



Reasonable people can see issues differently, but at the end of the day can sit down at the rum bar and play pool.



Lowe has earned the criticism has received over the years.:notlist:

[Karl]

RE: the inequality is becoming a little bit obvious

...think you command respect with the way you present yourself. If you portray the image of the court jester whether in real life on online, then don't exect people to take you seriously. People tend not to take Shatta seriously as he always comes out beating his chest and calling himself forum guru, etc, etc. I am sure if he just comes out and present his points without the excess self praise and unnecessary verbal shenanigans, then he will be just fine. I frankly do not see any cliques on here.. . But then who am I to say? As far as I can tell, you could well have me in a clique too.

This is interesting.I have often wondered if a judge or ref would punish the defendant or theplayerif, for example, the defendant or the player stuck out his tongue 'at' the judge or ref...when the evidence pointed to innocence?

I like to think that during my time even when players showed they were not in agreement with my calls...I always gave them a fair shake. ...but, I wonder?

Court Jester? ...saying serious things? ...putting forwardan argument or making a statement worthy of serious thought, but because he is a Court Jester the thought is treated as 'not worthy'? mmmm????

I wonder if we should know when to...be able to...distinguishjesting from...????

Just wondering...?

[The Emperor]

RE: the inequality is becoming a little bit obvious

it is not stressful to i y'nuh king- but it does make you wonder. when you know you are at a different vantage point from when you are speculating- and like i said i know quite a lot of the ones on here and they are all very bright. it amaze me when they appear not to be when they are discussing particular subjets, written by and are about particular people.

like tilla said (and yes missa tell-well {by di way color did a check fi di man di other day} your response to shatta helped to provoke that article) he had to apologize to the ras offline when he overstand what he was really getting at in his post. here is my point egzackly, i think that just maybe if the post was not about nandi and from shatta tilla (and others) may have reasoned differently- or seek clarification (online) before entering the discussion.

yes nandi had more than his fair share of "run ins" but that was not the point of discussion (well it wasn't supposed to be).

tilla i believe i get your point re claude and morgan, and you are right. i just mentioned that to point out thatwhat our guys do that we kill them for everyday is the same thing that the consumate professionals are (have been) doing. shatta's article was also making the same point.

[Vodka]

RE: the inequality is becoming a little bit obvious

Nuff respect for this post! You are spot on and I think this is one of the main reason the forum is so dead at times.

Hope you weren't apologizing to the Liverpool fans for the beating we put on them today. Just a matter of time before it becomes a habbit again.

Big Side everytime!(Clap)

[Tilla]

RE: the inequality is becoming a little bit obvious

...as usual, you missed the point. Let us move on anyway.

[Jangle]

RE: the inequality is becoming a little bit obvious

Tilla, be careful how you label other forumites.

"I think you command respect with the way you present yourself. If you portray the image of the court jester whether in real life on online, then don't exect people to take you seriously. People tend not to take Shatta seriously as he always comes out beating his chest and calling himself forum guru, etc, etc. I am sure if he just comes out and present his points without the excess self praise and unnecessary verbal shenanigans, then he will be just fine. I frankly do not see any cliques on here.. . But then who am I to say? As far as I can tell, you could well have me in a clique too."

What makes or rather used to make this forum so nice is the diversity of the personalities that choose to take the time to post here. Shatta may go off on one of his many rants about black man, but hey, we know that's him. I personally don't think he's any worse than Karl. If I want to be confused, I just read one of Karl's epistles.....(no offense my Shady Pines friend ). I miss JB and especially Benjamin. The label of "court jester" is solely reserved for TK. I think he would take offense to you throwing around his title so loosely.

[T.K.]

RE: the inequality is becoming a little bit obvious

The label of "court jester" is solely reserved for TK. I think he would take offense to you throwing around his title so loosely.

Jangle....I am going to kill you! :hehe: - T.K.

[Baddaz]

RE: the inequality is becoming a little bit obvious

if i may.. tilla, it cannnot be right to project your impression of shatta unto the rest of the forumites... i personally dont feel the way you do about shatta's 'rants' as you categorizes his post...

i think all post should be taken on its own merits, matters not the poster... further, if you had engaged in a subsequent offline discussion with shatta and had changed your views, it would be mostbecoming if you had voice your change of thought on the forum as a response to the original post with which you had a discord... not only would it help to bolster shatta reputation as an insightful, it would also fortify your status as da BIG MAN round here...mek sense... respect said speed...

[Baddaz]

RE: the inequality is becoming a little bit obvious

blessed love emperor... very strong post... give ia shout pon de cellie...