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    Before last week’s Champions League fixture with Fiorentina, Liverpool offered the national media a chance to chat with David Ngog, the young French striker who, in the absence of Fernando Torres, has been tasked with leading the line for one of the world’s biggest clubs just over a year after leaving Paris Saint-Germain’s reserve side. The questions, though, did not centre on the sudden change in his career trajectory, or the pressures of trying to fill the boots of one of the world’s best strikers, or even his vastly-improved displays of late. No, the questions came thick and fast on the moment that has defined Ngog in British eyes. We asked him, as was our duty, what it’s like to be a diver.

    He is softly-spoken, Ngog, and possessed of the shyness you would expect from a 20-year-old, not long in the country, when faced with a room of people firing questions at him. Accompanied by one of his club’s press officers, he answered each and every question as best he could, but his eyes kept flickering to the door of Anfield’s subterranean press room. Ngog, quite understandably, wanted out. After 10 minutes, just over, he was granted his fervent wish, and with a friendly goodbye he left. You may have seen the quotes: he revealed Thierry Henry was his hero, he insisted the criticism he had received was unfair, he denied his leap over Lee Carsley in Liverpool’s 2-2 draw with Birmingham was deliberate.

    The damage, though, was done. Ngog has been hung, drawn and quartered by the court of public opinion. He is likely to develop into a decent, Premier League striker – he will never be a Torres, of course, but he is well on the way to becoming a Craig Bellamy, say, if not in terms of style then certainly in terms of ability – but he will have to achieve untold success if he is to wash off the stigma now attached to him. He, like Eduardo or Didier Drogba, is a diver. A cheat.

    Other quotes that you may have noticed in recent years include: “I’d never dive. I’d like to think of myself as an honest player. That’s the way I play. I don’t like diving, football doesn’t need it.” Any guesses? What about this: “If I saw a team-mate doing it, I would have a word.” Ring any bells?
    The first, of course, is Wayne Rooney, in October 2006. England’s Wayne Rooney, to be precise. The man who – and you may not have noticed it – decided honesty doesn’t need to apply when you’re 1-0 down at home to Aston Villa. The second comes from Steven Gerrard, in his autobiography. The same Steven Gerrard who was greeted with cries of “all you do is f****** dive” from Arsenal’s travelling support on Sunday. Blackburn and Atletico Madrid fans – plucking two examples from the ether – would no doubt agree.

    Neither Gerrard nor Rooney have been excoriated, crucified by the media as Ngog, or Eduardo, were for this season’s two great diving debates. They are not particularly unique examples – most players dive when they think they can get away with it, and I have discussed in a previous piece the absurdity of condemning what is, at its best, an act of consummate skill – and I have no wish to demand they be excommunicated from Fabio Capello’s World Cup squad, strung up by their buckling knees and pelted with rotten fruit. Good luck to them. The hypocrisy rankles a little, but they probably meant what they said at the time. As Ngog, the penitent sinner, acknowledged: “Things happen very quickly on a football pitch.”
    But the question remains: why were dives by Rooney and Gerrard, two players who, above all others, are role models in this country, mentioned only in passing when Ngog’s and Eduardo’s transgressions generated headlines, yellow tickers and phone-in fury demanding video replays, retrospective bans and chemical castration for days, or weeks, after the event? It may be that it is linked to how successful their deception was – Ngog and Eduardo both won penalties, whereas Rooney earned only a yellow card and Gerrard, against Arsenal at least, served simply to guarantee himself a few barbed songs. They did not profit from their dishonesty, and therefore the matter should be allowed to rest.

    It is a strange logic. If a man tries to defraud a company but fails, should he be slapped on the wrist and sent on his way while a man who succeeds in running a scam is jailed? Or, mentioning no golfers, would your partner feel a lot better knowing you had only tried to cheat on them but been knocked back, rather than actually succeeding in an act of adultery? Yet even if there is no place in football for ethics, what of the discrepancy between punishments? If you dive and get away with it, have a two-game ban and your name in mud. If you dive and don’t succeed, have a yellow card. That’s it. Move along.

    Or is the defining factor that we still view diving as a foreign trait, an illness brought to these shores by infected conquistadors, doing to our sense of honesty and fair play what the common cold – and syphilis – did to the Aztecs and the Incas? Most of those players held up as practitioners of the dark arts, after all, are not English, and yet there are dozens of English players who did not need to be taught anything about enjoying a quick tumble. Emile Heskey, Michael Owen, Francis Jeffers, Robbie Savage (he’s Welsh, but you take my point), even Franny Lee. Yet because they’re native, we forgive them, we insist they’re only doing it to keep up with the foreigners, we believe that, had it not been for the outsider invasion of English football, all would be pure and clean.
    It is not until that hypocrisy, one far greater than the disingenuity of Rooney’s and Gerrard’s statements, is cleared up that we may be able to rid the game of this scourge. If you see it as a scourge, rather than an artform, that is.

    - Quote of the week, by the way, came from Gavin and Stacey’s Ness of her nocturnal encounter with James Corden’s Smithy. “He was completely naked, I was wearing my Aston Villa strip.” It’s not relevant, but you should always end on a gag.
    Last edited by Karl; December 16, 2009, 04:29 AM.

  • #2
    I think the last paragrah is the best part of the article!

    ...seriously! Good article!

    ...I have a problem with this "yellow card fro diving". I know as fact that racing along at full tilt a slight nudge can send you flying. That nudge may not warrant a free-kick...but if such a nudge causes an attacking player to go down in the penalty-area he certainly does not deserve a caution.

    A look at what I think are undeserved cautions...the 'adding insult to injury' yellow or red card must make some players blood boil. Just think on it, at speed even jumping over a player's leg can cause a tumble...and the player attempts at protecting self or protecting the opponent receives a caution or spending off for his troubles?

    Said it long ago - damn nonsense!
    Firstly if the ref sees a foul...he calls it! ...and if is not a foul? Ofcourse he does no call it...stopping the game and brandishing cards for so-called dives is a waste. Let the bloody game flow! ... the next thing you know FIFA will be telling refs, "if you think the player is about to commit a foul, stop the game and issue a caution and if you think it twice in the game of the same player send him off!" Yup! You'll all say bloody nonsense...but so is that caution for diving!

    If everyone is so sure a dive has taken place, what is the problem? Why the silly diver cannot be left on the ground...out of the play...his team at a disadvantage and the other side "does it thing"?

    Has anything changed in the game except the issuing of 'silly cards'. Hell, NO! It is as you were - the ref see foul, direct Free-Kick! ...he does not, well the damn game goes on!
    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Karl View Post
      I think the last paragrah is the best part of the article!

      ...seriously! Good article!

      ...I have a problem with this "yellow card fro diving". I know as fact that racing along at full tilt a slight nudge can send you flying. That nudge may not warrant a free-kick...but if such a nudge causes an attacking player to go down in the penalty-area he certainly does not deserve a caution.

      A look at what I think are undeserved cautions...the 'adding insult to injury' yellow or red card must make some players blood boil. Just think on it, at speed even jumping over a player's leg can cause a tumble...and the player attempts at protecting self or protecting the opponent receives a caution or spending off for his troubles?

      Said it long ago - damn nonsense!
      Firstly if the ref sees a foul...he calls it! ...and if is not a foul? Ofcourse he does no call it...stopping the game and brandishing cards for so-called dives is a waste. Let the bloody game flow! ... the next thing you know FIFA will be telling refs, "if you think the player is about to commit a foul, stop the game and issue a caution and if you think it twice in the game of the same player send him off!" Yup! You'll all say bloody nonsense...but so is that caution for diving!

      If everyone is so sure a dive has taken place, what is the problem? Why the silly diver cannot be left on the ground...out of the play...his team at a disadvantage and the other side "does it thing"?

      Has anything changed in the game except the issuing of 'silly cards'. Hell, NO! It is as you were - the ref see foul, direct Free-Kick! ...he does not, well the damn game goes on!
      Agreed!

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      • #4
        Diving in the penalty area to get a foul when there is no contact does not deserve a card?

        This foolishness should go unpunished?

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        • #5
          Disagreed! Unsportsmanlike behaviour and deserves a yellow card!


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          • #6
            In Karl's mind. And Dunny's, unfortunately.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
              In Karl's mind. And Dunny's, unfortunately.
              Diving in the box have been going for as long as i can remember and booking the players for diving haven't decreased the number of cases.
              How many times have we seen players being booked for diving when they should've been awarded penalties? In my opinion this booking thing does not work and never will.

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              • #8
                one could argue that booking the players for any offence has not reduced said offence.

                imagine if Henry, instead of handling the ball, had dived in the dying seconds of the match and won a penalty for France. i think we all would be rethinking our views.

                i feel any bare-faced act of cheating or time-wasting should be booked! the refs are probably not doing it enough and that's why it continues.


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                • #9
                  Good article, although it forgot to mention another diving English hypocrite: Alan Shearer. Anyone remember him getting booked for his flop when Romania knocked England out of Euro 2000?

                  UEFA act as Shearer and Hagi bow out with a dive


                  Of course, that didn't stop him from going on to point a finger at other players for doing the same thing:

                  Shearer on attack over 'blatant dive' in Cup defeat at Chelsea
                  "We're bitterly disappointed and he clearly dived. It was a blatant dive. There was no contact made. I've seen a replay and I thought that at the time. That's definitely the case. It's an element that's creeping into our game that is not nice. It has to be stamped out and only a referee can do it."
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Zeppo View Post
                    Good article, although it forgot to mention another diving English hypocrite: Alan Shearer. Anyone remember him getting booked for his flop when Romania knocked England out of Euro 2000?

                    UEFA act as Shearer and Hagi bow out with a dive


                    Of course, that didn't stop him from going on to point a finger at other players for doing the same thing:

                    Shearer on attack over 'blatant dive' in Cup defeat at Chelsea
                    "We're bitterly disappointed and he clearly dived. It was a blatant dive. There was no contact made. I've seen a replay and I thought that at the time. That's definitely the case. It's an element that's creeping into our game that is not nice. It has to be stamped out and only a referee can do it."
                    There is a perception in England that foriegn players are the only ones that dive but that is a myth.Rooney,Gerrard,Joe Cole,Ashley Cole are divers and like you said people like Shearer carry on as if they are squeeky clean yet they have been caught diving in the past.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dunny View Post
                      There is a perception in England that foriegn players are the only ones that dive but that is a myth.Rooney,Gerrard,Joe Cole,Ashley Cole are divers and like you said people like Shearer carry on as if they are squeeky clean yet they have been caught diving in the past.
                      This debate is stupid. Any player that sees where he has a chance to get a penalty or a freekick will certainly take it. The powers that be need to get with the times and bring in technology.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bricktop View Post
                        Diving in the penalty area to get a foul when there is no contact does not deserve a card?

                        This foolishness should go unpunished?

                        http://www.metacafe.com/fplayer/3868..._plongeuse.swf
                        Isn't making a fool of self and flopping around on the turf as you leave your team a man short as the opponents race away to attack your goal not enough punishment?

                        ...well you can add his teammates giving 'the swimmer' a trashing in the dressing room if his team loses on a goal scored while he was playing the fool.

                        ...but just for argument sake, let me ask - When the ref stops play and joins in the spectacle by 'flashing his card'...what is he saying beyond he saw no foul?

                        So why is he stopping the game if there was no foul? He knows there was no foul! Perhaps most of the spectators agree there is no foul...So then knowing there was no foul he goes into his ballet to have the spectators admire his graceful flick of the arm, his ramrod coming to attention and the final flick of the card?

                        To show everyone he is an important man? ...or for some a great big clown...
                        ...or to give the diver and his team more time to organise their defense?

                        Some display of commonsense.

                        I say let those who want to keep throwing themselves on the ground do and let the others who want to play...play! Hell I am at a match, in front of a TV or at the grounds to see footballers play football...not to see the man with the whistle show me his fancy steps and his oafish attempt at graceful ballet.
                        Last edited by Karl; December 16, 2009, 07:16 PM.
                        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                        • #13
                          Karl,

                          I think the yellow card is saying: "I saw you try to deceive me with an unsportsmanlike act, so tek dis". Playing with a yellow in a match keeps you honest.

                          The downside is when the refs get it wrong... so I think the technology can be used to reverse a wrong at the next stoppage.
                          Peter R

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Peter R View Post
                            Karl,

                            I think the yellow card is saying: "I saw you try to deceive me with an unsportsmanlike act, so tek dis". Playing with a yellow in a match keeps you honest.

                            The downside is when the refs get it wrong... so I think the technology can be used to reverse a wrong at the next stoppage.
                            And I am saying giving that yellow is nonsense!
                            How many of those are given to player who fall inadvertently?

                            What do these FIFA clown know of balance, pace, slipery grounds...going to ground to 'ride' a challenge' or contact...?

                            So if yellow cards are for trying to deceive...let's list all the 'trying to deceive' that takes place during a match that are not punished with a 'yellow' -
                            taking throw-ins from advantageous positions...stealing a march on down the touch-line;
                            putting the hand behind the ball at throw-ins to achieve greater velocity and further distance;
                            taking Free-Kicks from advantageous positions...stealing a march on with the ball - forward when it suits and backwards when it suits;
                            holding;
                            ...we can all add tons that take place all over the pitch...including those falling as in the penalty that there produces a caution.

                            It is inconsistent action and I maintain a silly one. It is rare when a ref knows for certain that the particular player 'dived' and did not fall because a slight nudge caused loss of balance or losing balance resulted in unintended fall...and by the looks on the face of too many given a card it appears that often an innocent is sent to 'gallows'! i.e. a chap that falls for no reason of his own being deemed to have thrown himself on the ground.

                            I suppose teams have had players sent off after being adjudged to have thrown self to the ground either as a result of that caution being the second caution or being a first caution wrongly given followed by a second caution...and the player and his team loses the match...or through an accumulation of cards the player being forced into missing matches and the team loses the players services.

                            I do not know about you...but I have seen many, many players being cautioned who just accidentally fell.

                            ...playing with a yellow in a match makes you tentative and too often ineffective.

                            btw - How would the technology help the chap that was sent off? ...or cancel the yellow and the attendant mental pressures it puts on the player unfairly 'carded'.
                            "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Karl View Post

                              ...but just for argument sake, let me ask - When the ref stops play and joins in the spectacle by 'flashing his card'...what is he saying beyond he saw no foul?

                              So why is he stopping the game if there was no foul? He knows there was no foul! Perhaps most of the spectators agree there is no foul...So then knowing there was no foul he goes into his ballet to have the spectators admire his graceful flick of the arm, his ramrod coming to attention and the final flick of the card?
                              Flopping in the penalty area when no contact is made IS A FOUL!!!!!

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