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  • Torres/Friedel - Why refs disagree?

    It boils down to whether or not an offence was committed by Friedel.

    Clearly if Friedel committed a penal offence n his penalty area - a penalty must be the ref's call. It is also without dispute that if Friedel blocked Torres from a potential goalscoring opportunity, the ref has no recourse but to dismiss Friedel.


    ...but did Friedel block Torres? The answer to that simple question determines in each person's mind if Friedel should have been punished.


    As alluded to above if YES - Friedel must be sent off (red carded) and then a penalty awarded and the actions must be carried out in that order.


    If NO - Friedel should not have been punished and a penalty could not have been awarded.


    The FIFA "Laws of the Game" and decisions of the IFAB may shed some light on why some refs hold the position that based on movement of the players immediately before Torres ran into Friedel, Friedel should not have been punished.


    Impeding the progress of an opponent

    Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the path of the opponent to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction by an opponent when the ball is not within playing distance of either player.

    All players have a right to their position on the field of play, being in the way of an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent.
    My reason for giving a "no punishment to Friedel" has been clearly stated ad infinitum, Brad Friedel remained motionless, excepting to turn away his face and upper body to lessen harm to himself. He made no effort to move into the path of Torres.

    Friedel exercised his right to his position on the field of play, in line with the direction in which the ball was traveling...Torres was the person moving! He it was that ran into Friedel not the other way around.
    Last edited by Karl; March 27, 2009, 07:03 PM.
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    Karl - I challenge you to find ONE [mentally competent] REF who disagrees with the foul. ONE!!
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    • #3
      I agree with this post 100%. I would rule Friedel not guilty of a bookable offense.
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      • #4
        Karl, the contention that Friedel was "motionless" is NOT TRUE. Look at this video replay again. Friedel's body was always in motion...if Friedel had remained planted Torres would have ripped the net open with a shot but your boy fell into his path... look at the view from behind the goal...
        http://imgs.sapo.pt/sapovideo/swf/fl...alb61BFt/mov/1
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        • #5
          karl...he was ALREADY in the path of torres....

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          • #6
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            • #7
              rhatid...it contagious fi true!!!!!

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              • #8
                And his duty was to go and meet the ball not kneel down and wait for it to roll to him with an attacker hot in pursuit. If Friedel hd gone to the claim the ball Torres would have adjusted his run after seeing that Friedel would get to it before he would or he would have clattered into Friedel after Friedel got to the ball and Torres would then have been called for the foul.

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                • #9
                  Karl walks far from this video angle. Friedel motionless?!!?


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                  • #10
                    Keep in mind Karl also contends that Torres last touched the ball OUTSIDE of the penalty area

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                    • #11
                      and that Friedel was motionless.

                      and that Friedel was swaying.


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                      • #12
                        Can you imagine if players now start to run to certain positions on the field to block the clear path of the player with the ball, but because the defender (if he still can be called that since he is not defending a striking thing) suddenly becomes "motionless", then he cannot be called for a foul!?!?

                        This is not basketaball where you can move into the intended path of the player with the ball but because you have become "motionless" you can draw a charge.

                        Madness!!!

                        If you move into such a position, you better make an attempt at the ball, or give up a foul against your "motionless" self! Unless of course, you have been standing/sitting /crouching there long before the player decided to move into that position. Not moments before or milliseconds before! And if that's the case, you need to get the hell off people football field!


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Peter R View Post
                          Karl, the contention that Friedel was "motionless" is NOT TRUE. Look at this video replay again. Friedel's body was always in motion...if Friedel had remained planted Torres would have ripped the net open with a shot but your boy fell into his path... look at the view from behind the goal...
                          http://imgs.sapo.pt/sapovideo/swf/fl...alb61BFt/mov/1
                          Peter there no way Torres could have ripped off any shot based on what he did 22 - 28 yards out from goal. At that distance Torres took a touch of the ball and caught up with it when it was about to disappear in Friedel's arms! The photo shows he was touching the ball for the 2nd time as he preparing to do that fake hanging of trailing leg and following contrived fall!

                          You do know there is not one human that runs naturally and normally and does not have a following lifting of the trailing leg towards the back of the thigh and then moves into a knee lift? The hanging of the leg is always deliberate. It is done either to lessen impact on some object or move into a 'faked brought-down fall/intended to deceive on-lookers fall'!

                          Do I blame Torres for hanging that leg?
                          If I said no once, I said it a million times in my insistance that I would have allowed play to continue and awarded -
                          NO FOUL!
                          No penalty!
                          No expulsion!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gamma View Post
                            karl...he was ALREADY in the path of torres....
                            Did I not say Friedel was in the path of the ball?! ...and did you not see Torres was running behind the ball attempting to catch up with the ball?

                            Friedel was, as I have said a million times right behind the ball!

                            It is crazy to expect the goalkeeper...any goalkeeper to be right behind the ball to run away when a forward appears behind the ball.

                            It is crazy to even think of denying a goalkeeper his space on the field in front of his goal, on his knees with the ball having to go through his space into goal to, on a forward bearing down run away.

                            I just watched the World Cup qualifier between Germany and some team that haven't a clue how to play --- A high ball came in and the 'no clue' team's goalkeeper jumped to catch the ball...his only move was jumping in the air (he went straight up)...he never held the ball, the attacker ran into him and bowled him over/jumped into him with his forward momentum bowling over the goalkeeper. The ref immediately awarded a free-kick to the goalkeeper's team.

                            So if the goalkeeper was on his knees instead of in the air it is a foul on the goalkeeper, a penalty and the goalkeeper given his marching orders?

                            Ridiculous!

                            ...or the equally ridiculous claim is now going to be made that "the 'keeper was in the air so he should not have been challeged in the first place because of his being in the air"?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Karl View Post

                              I just watched the World Cup qualifier between Germany and some team that haven't a clue how to play --- A high ball came in and the 'no clue' team's goalkeeper jumped to catch the ball...his only move was jumping in the air (he went straight up)...he never held the ball, the attacker ran into him and bowled him over/jumped into him with his forward momentum bowling over the goalkeeper. The ref immediately awarded a free-kick to the goalkeeper's team.
                              What does this have to do with the play in question?

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