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  • How to kick a penalty...scientifically

    Scientists have come up with a formula for taking penalties that, if followed correctly, has a 100% success rate. The shot should be 65mph, you need a run-up of five to six paces from the edge of the area, approach the ball at an angle of 20 to 30 degrees and the ball must cross the goal-line at exactly 0.5m below the crossbar and the same distance inside the post. (The Sun)
    Sunday, August 28th, 2011. We will never forget !!

  • #2
    Originally posted by Twan View Post
    Scientists have come up with a formula for taking penalties that, if followed correctly, has a 100% success rate. The shot should be 65mph, you need a run-up of five to six paces from the edge of the area, approach the ball at an angle of 20 to 30 degrees and the ball must cross the goal-line at exactly 0.5m below the crossbar and the same distance inside the post. (The Sun)
    If the keeper can move on his line before a penalty is taken I cannot see how this information can be accurate

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    • #3
      i cant see anyone who could replicate this each time. not only that...doesn't the goalie know where the ball is going to go if yopu keep doing that?

      what about the wing span of the goalie?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Gamma View Post
        i cant see anyone who could replicate this each time. not only that...doesn't the goalie know where the ball is going to go if yopu keep doing that?

        what about the wing span of the goalie?
        If the refs enforce the "Law" that cannot be saved. Matters not if the goalkeeper knows that is where the kick is going. Truth is even if the ref's do nto enforce the "Law" such a kick is just about impossible to save. (...perhaps a 7+' goalkeeper with good jumping ability and great agility?)

        Another of those errors refs too often make - Allowing the goalkeeper to move before the ball is kicked...and when a save is made or the kicker misses...not following the "law" and having the kick re-taken.

        This error has become the norm. I suppose a ref would risk life and limb if he dares to have a retake after a miss.

        NB: If the kicker scores when the goalkeeper flouts the "Law" by 'moving early' the goal should stand.
        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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        • #5
          the law says he can move along the line....

          Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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          • #6
            Karl. The twelfth man masquerading as a referee

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bricktop View Post
              Karl. The twelfth man masquerading as a referee
              Well Brickie - To show my students (primary school, high school, teacher's college and KSAFA Major League) how difficult it was to save a penalty, ...and why the kicker had nothing to fear...I used to stand over the ball with my left leg planted beside the ball...I would have the goal-keeper take up position on goal-line and then kick with right foot to the corner of the goal we both had decided on...every time the goalkeeper (matters not which person - specialist goalkeeper or no) waited on contact to move (that is what the "Law" demands) the ball would end up in the back of the net. Incidentally those kicks were always aimed along the ground.

              ...now consider shooting accurately up into that little "V" (right-angle) in the upper corners of the goal? I would thinkl only "superman" could effect save.
              "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Karl View Post
                every time the goalkeeper (matters not which person - specialist goalkeeper or no) waited on contact to move (That is what the "Law" demands) the ball would end up in the back of the net.


                Rule 14 - Penalty Kicks
                A direct free kick is taken at the penalty mark in front of the goal. It is a one-on-one situation with the kick against the goalkeeper. Everyone else must stay outside the penalty area and at least 10 yards from the ball (the reason for the arc at the top of the penalty area) until it is kicked. The goalkeeper must remain on the goal line facing the kicker until the ball is touched, although the goalkeeper may move sideways along the goal line prior to the kick.

                Last edited by Bricktop; March 25, 2009, 12:56 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gamma View Post
                  the law says he can move along the line....
                  Does it?

                  or...does it say, the goalkeeper must be on his goal-line? Sure it does not say where between the goal-posts he must stand or commands he stands in the middle of the goal on the goal-line...but does it say he can move along the line?

                  ...or he must be on his goal-line within the gaol when the kick is taken?


                  The defending goalkeeper:
                  • must remain on his goal line, facing the kicker, between the
                  goalposts until the ball has been kicked
                  As a practical matter the goalkeeper can run along the goal-line...but at the moment of contact with the ball by the kicker...he must be on the goal-line. he should not be infront of the line or behind the line...he should not be in the air...

                  He should be on the goal-line between the goal-posts (the uprights). Clearly if he is in the air he is not on the goal line.

                  Can he stand on one foot? ...as long as that foot is on the goal-line at the moment the ball was kicked!
                  Sure!

                  Can he be falling down or leaning to one side or the other?
                  Sure! ...as long as at the moment the ball was kicked he was on his goal-line!


                  but...

                  ...he must be on the goal-line between the uprights at the moment the ball is kicked.

                  The funny thing is the ball is not in play until it travels the distance of its circumference....and at Penalty-Kicks the ball must travel forward. ...and that can give rise to a whole other set of actions and reactions depending on how the players action subsequent to contact occur...and who next touches or comes into contact with the ball.

                  When we refs are...were (...let's give respect to my Shady Pines years) being trained as we moved along (became more experienced) we envisioned as best as we possible could, all the possible (improbable?) things that could happen during the managing of matches and worked out the answers as per "Law"...and "International FA Board" decisions.


                  Of interest:


                  Infringements and Sanctions
                  If the referee gives the signal for a penalty kick to be taken and,
                  before the ball is in play, one of the following occurs:
                  the goalkeeper infringes the Laws of the Game:
                  • the referee allows the kick to be taken
                  • if the ball enters the goal, a goal is awarded
                  • if the ball does not enter the goal, the kick is retaken



                  The point is many of the kicks saved as per "Law" should have been retaken. It has now become the norm to allow the goalkeeper a bly on movement in conravention of the "Laws?

                  Since it has become the "rule" to allow those contraventions is it right for the refs so to do?

                  You decide!

                  ...another for you - Can the goal-keeper do handstands on the goal line?
                  "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                  • #10
                    Karl, please update your rule book. The 2009 version is on sale!


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bricktop View Post


                      Rule 14 - Penalty Kicks
                      A direct free kick is taken at the penalty mark in front of the goal. It is a one-on-one situation with the kick against the goalkeeper. Everyone else must stay outside the penalty area and at least 10 yards from the ball (the reason for the arc at the top of the penalty area) until it is kicked. The goalkeeper must remain on the goal line facing the kicker until the ball is touched, although the goalkeeper may move sideways along the goal line prior to the kick.

                      Prior to the kick, Brickie! Prior to the kick!


                      ...at the kick he must be standing on his goal-line between the goal-posts!
                      "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                      • #12
                        Karl, look it up!!!!


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
                          Karl, please update your rule book. The 2009 version is on sale!
                          They have changed the mandate that the goalkeeper stands on his goal-line between the goal-posts at the taking of the kick?

                          I don't think so!

                          NB: Point me to the link for the 2009 FIFA version of the "Laws" and the 2009 "Intrepretations"?
                          Thank you!

                          PS: I every now and again - re-read the newest versions of these guides. The one I cam quoting from is the 2008/2009 versions...they have not changed the "practical methods" we used in 1990. What they have done is put it in writing in a clearer more easily understood format for the fanz and novice refs.

                          They (FIFA, The Internationa FA Board and the various national FAs) have improved methods of teaching.

                          It is not so much my being a retired FIFA ref although that helps...it is that I taught, trained and assessed refs for many years both inside and outside of Jamaica.
                          Last edited by Karl; March 25, 2009, 02:09 PM.
                          "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                          • #14
                            Zas crise!

                            What is the problem, Karl?!?!


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                            • #15
                              Yes, they have!!! He may run along the line to his heart's content!!!


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