Assasin, you called it right (again).

[TheDread]

Re-read my statement fool. I made reference to the calibre of managers who they hired. They have experience in that area. If Ive made many idiotic statements where does that leave you?

Every time you post it confirms your status as the village idiot. Keep posting .

[Warlord]

Every time you post it confirms your status as the village idiot. Keep posting .

Spoken like a true chump.

[Warlord]

[quote=Assasin;144579]

You have absolutely no point. It is blunt.

You claim there are only a handful of successful managers in England and all of them are preoccupied with their teams right now so how can Blackburn get them?

Who said anything about blackburn hiring a top english manager? Didnt Blackburn's chairman state that he would be looking at the possibility of bringing in a foreign manager before Allardyce's hiring? Think about the situation with Tottenham hiring Martin Jol and then his replacement Juande Ramos. Blackburn obviously cant take a massive financial gamble on a foreign manager at this time. What if they did and things didnt work out and they get relegated especially with players like Santa Cruz, Mc carthy and Roberts on substantial wages. They can ill afford that. They then went ahead and signed Allardyce to a contract. Allardyce #1 priority is to save the team from relegation. anything else would be a plus.

They took a chance on build Ince and it didn't work out so why take another chance, instead use a proven manager in the EPL

In fairness to Paul Ince he did not have enough time. 6 months isnt long enough. Sure it was a gamble but I think if he was given more time he wouldve probably done better. Allardyce is a manager with premiership experience and he is very affordable. A top english manager or a continental manager would cost Blackburn alot of money. Blackburn already has alot of debt issues so Allardyce's hiring makes financial sense for the club. Keep in mind they still owe Paul Ince 2.5 years worth of salary since he signed a 3 yr deal in June.

[Assasin]

Again think before you talk. Was Jol and Ramos failures?
Isn't 6 months more than enough in today's football? Which team is going to hire a manager for more than 6 months if he or she doesn't perform in today's league game?

Based on your argument there are not many successful managers around. You are the one who said to be successful you have to win league title so nuh bother change that. Not even FA cup you count so tell me how Jol, Ramos and Ince are successful.

Ince got a team that placed in the top half of the table and it was relegated to second to last and showed no sign of improvement. The management had no choice but to either get new players or coach. If Ince was even in the middle pack of the table he wouldn't have gotten the sack.

Tell a TOP english manager that is available and a top continent managers who are available who you know would go to Blackburn.

[myYout]

Shabba, put you head in gear, before yuh put yuh mouth inna motion

[TheDread]

Spoken like a true chump.

My youth, are you a teenager yet?

[Warlord]

[quote=Assasin;144680]

Again think before you talk. Was Jol and Ramos failures?
Isn't 6 months more than enough in today's football? Which team is going to hire a manager for more than 6 months if he or she doesn't perform in today's league game?

Thanks for proving my point. Was Jol and Ramos failures? In Jol's case thats a possibility...In Ramos' case like Ince not enough time to say whether or not he was. Jol and Ramos had success where they coached before signing with Tottenham so Spurs knew what type of manager they were getting. But once again you missed the underlying point here MONEY!! Those 2 foreign managers were signed for alot of money. Blackburn isnt the size of Tottenham when you consider fanbase and also from a financial perspective. They can ill afford to sign a top level manager to a big contract.

Based on your argument there are not many successful managers around. You are the one who said to be successful you have to win league title so nuh bother change that. Not even FA cup you count so tell me how Jol, Ramos and Ince are successful

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Go look up Ramos' record at Sevilla where he coached before Tottenham and see what he won and where his team was. Same goes for Jol. Ince again liek Ramos didnt get enough time to find out whether or not he was a success.

Ince got a team that placed in the top half of the table and it was relegated to second to last and showed no sign of improvement. The management had no choice but to either get new players or coach. If Ince was even in the middle pack of the table he wouldn't have gotten the sack.

Youre just repeating what I said. Ince didnt have time to bring the best out of his players and have them compete. The Premier League is very difficult and managers are judged on results and not on players performances. The axe gets wielded quickly if you dont produce. Tony Adams who struggled in the first few games after Redknapp left for Tottenham has now won several games in the league. If he lost 10 games straight he'd be under fire the same way Ince was. The point is it sometimes takes some managers longer to settle and for players to learn the new managers style of football. Jury is still out whether or not Ince is a terrible manager.

Tell a TOP english manager that is available and a top continent managers who are available who you know would go to Blackburn

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That really depends on alot of things Jean Tigana was a decent foreign manager and he coached Fulham for a few seasons after coaching a top Ligue 1 side at the time. Top managers will go to any club that shows a certain level of ambition, has strong finances and are willing to get some of the best players to that particular club. Blackburn is a small club. It will always be difficult for them getting a top level manager because they 1. dont have a huge fanbase. 2. Theyre not financially able to afford the top players. In contrast Sunderland is a bigger club ( Stadium of Light) 49,000 seats and they can afford some top players because they are financially viable. Hope you get my point.

[Scaly Spurs]

I feel bad for Ince, he campaigned for an EPL job then

got one and lost it quick. I really was pulling for him, Roy Keane came straight off the pitch and became a coach of a d1 side while Ince waited years to get a d2 job. Ince was in the 90's what Gatusso is today a pit bull. Many times when you have that player personality it's hard to teach or coach it.

I am sure he will get another shot. Capello wanted him as an assitant when he came to the National side because of his Inter expierence I hope now he takes him up on it.

[Assasin]

The fact is you said there is only a handful of successful managers in England because they haven't won the EPL.

Ramos and Jol failed. They had time to get in players, they had transfer kitties and did spend and sell players. Both had more than 6 months. Ince was a failure because he didn't go to a team at the bottom of the EPL, they were in the top half. How can you say Simoes fail but these guys didn't fail.

Yes you can fail and go on to be successful. Big Sam not only save Bolton but bring them to a top six team and you are concluding that he is a good relegation coach? he was at the helm when they were promoted. he saved them twice and move them up the table to a top 6 team in his last few years. Tell me that is not success. yes he failed at newcastle but he still kept them in mid table.

[Warlord]

[quote=Assasin;144781]

The fact is you said there is only a handful of successful managers in England because they haven't won the EPL.

If youre going to quote me at least quote me right son. I said there are few successful managers who won multiple trophies. EPL, FA Cup, Carling Cup and CL. It wasnt limited to the EPL only. That fact still havent been unproven by you or anyone else

Ramos and Jol failed. They had time to get in players, they had transfer kitties and did spend and sell players. Both had more than 6 months. Ince was a failure because he didn't go to a team at the bottom of the EPL, they were in the top half. How can you say Simoes fail but these guys didn't fail.

One year in top level football is still not enough time. I'll agree that Jol failed but Ramos and Ince didnt have enough time. You cant compare the transfer budget of Spurs vs that of Blackburn. Spurs is a big club with stronger financial revenues vs Blackburn who is a club with serious debt. Ince had an infinitely smaller budget to work with. Thats like comparing the budget that Manchester United has vs a team like Stoke or Hull City. Your logic is flawed.

Yes you can fail and go on to be successful. Big Sam not only save Bolton but bring them to a top six team and you are concluding that he is a good relegation coach? he was at the helm when they were promoted. he saved them twice and move them up the table to a top 6 team in his last few years. Tell me that is not success. yes he failed at newcastle but he still kept them in mid table

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Thanks for proving my point yet again. Allardyce = affordable coach that Blackburn can afford and can possibly stave off relegation. Which part of that dont you understand? Allardyce has never finished in the top 4 in the EPL. He finished in the top 6 a couple of seasons and when he did manage clinched a UEFA Cup spot, his squad failed miserably in Europe. He is at best a midtable manager. At Bolton he made a few horiible signings and the same thing happened at Newcastle. His team underperformed when he even thouigh he had players like Obafemi Martins, Owen, Allan Smith et all. Why do you think he was sacked by Newcastle?

[Assasin]

Do you realise it is a miracle when a team with Bolton budget finish in the top six? So now you change your tune but Rednapp is still not a good manager despite building portsmouth, despite taking the FA cup and qualifying for Europe. In case you don't realise Newcastle was a failure long before Sam and even until today continue to under perform.

How is it Big Sam is a failure when he had his team for about 5 months and Ramos and jol is not a failure when they had their teams for a year? They needed more time? How much time does a good manager need? You talking about players under Sam but spurs had one berbetov, keane, defoe, lenon, jenas, woodgate etc. so you have no point.

your defination is simple not well thought out

[Warlord]

[quote=Assasin;144820]

Do you realise it is a miracle when a team with Bolton budget finish in the top six? So now you change your tune but Rednapp is still not a good manager despite building portsmouth, despite taking the FA cup and qualifying for Europe. In case you don't realise Newcastle was a failure long before Sam and even until today continue to under perform

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Thanks again for proving my point? Didnt I tell you that money had alot to do with ambition/goals as far as a club is concerned. You basically just repeated my points earlier. Redknapp is only NOW at a BIG club that has financial backing. He hasnt proven anything yet for Tottenham. He made Portsmouth look decent I will give him that but he is still considered an average manager by all standards. Sure he won the FA Cup and that is all well and good but his teams have not set alight the premiership neither the UEFA Cup tournaments, same goes for Sam Allaryce's teams. Newcastle's teams performed well under Bobby Robson who is/was a world class manager but only average mangers like Souness, Allardyce and Keegan they did nothing.

How is it Big Sam is a failure when he had his team for about 5 months and Ramos and jol is not a failure when they had their teams for a year? They needed more time? How much time does a good manager need? You talking about players under Sam but spurs had one berbetov, keane, defoe, lenon, jenas, woodgate etc. so you have no point

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Sam never had enough time at Newcastle, but during his tenure there he had better players than he did at Bolton. You cant dispute that. He also brought in some horrible players who for that club's size and ambition looked average. He deserved more time but as a manager with previous experience he shouldve done better. Ramos again is a foreign manager so too was Jol. Like players who play in different leagues, foreign managers take time to adjust to the game in a new country. Ramos needed some more time despite the fact he had a few good pieces. Keep in mind that Defoe, Berbatov, and Keane were sold before this season started so it was always going to be difficult for Tottenham to replace them and maintain a decent place in the table. Ramos struggled and to some degree that was expected. HR now has Tottenham and the Spurs are currently lying in the lower end of the table hovering 2-3 points above the relegation zone. He can possibly still go down if they go on a 5-7 game losing skid so it isnt yet a foregone conclusion that they will stay up. That remains to be seen.

[TheDread]

So you expect Blackburn to hire successful managers like Sir Alex, Wenger and Jose?

You just talk and defend it afterwards?

If your club is doing good you don't need to hire a new manager.

Assasin, you can't reason with dunces. Warlord is stupid enough to believe you hire an average manager to try and prevent relegation. Big Sam's Bolton side with their shoestring budget was competitive with the likes of Arsenal, ManU, and Chelsea. How successfull would Sir Alex, Wenger, or Jose be if they had to work under Boltons budget? Alladyce is a top class manager that anyone who undestands the game of football would never refer to as average.

[Warlord]

Assasin, you can't reason with dunces. Warlord is stupid enough to believe you hire an average manager to try and prevent relegation. Big Sam's Bolton side with their shoestring budget was competitive with the likes of Arsenal, ManU, and Chelsea. How successfull would Sir Alex, Wenger, or Jose be if they had to work under Boltons budget? Alladyce is a top class manager that anyone who undestands the game of football would never refer to as average.

An even bigger dumbass would believe that a club that is currently sitting in the relegation zone after winning only 4 premiership games wouldnt hire a manager who has experience in battling against the drop.

My guess is Allardyce's priority isnt securing the team's premiership status. Oh no according to "The dread" its to challenge and possibly win the premiership, Carling Cup and qualify for the Champions League. Idiocy at its finest!

[Warlord]

they hav world class strikers in Santa Cruz and McCarthy.

Mc Carthy is a world class striker?