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  • John Barnes speaks out

    Barnes battles for post as boss

    By Simon Austin


    During Paul Ince's rise to the rarefied heights of the Premier League, John Barnes has been struggling to even get recognition in the foothills of the game.

    Ince became the top flight's first black English manager when he was appointed as Mark Hughes' successor at Blackburn on Sunday.

    Barnes, on the other hand, has been applying for vacancies in the lower leagues without success.

    It is a situation that has left England's finest black player perplexed, frustrated and angry.

    "I've applied for numerous jobs and sometimes I haven't even had the courtesy of a reply to my application letter," Barnes told BBC Sport.

    "Perhaps I could understand it if I was applying for jobs at the top level but these were clubs in League One."

    Barnes, whose playing career included spells at Watford and Liverpool, did get a big break when he was appointed head coach of Celtic in 1999 in tandem with director of football Kenny Dalglish.


    BLACK MANAGERS AND COACHES
    Managers: Paul Ince (Blackburn), Keith Alexander (Macclesfield)
    Assistants: Keith Curle (Crystal Palace), Iffy Onuora (Lincoln)
    First team coaches: Chris Hughton (Newcastle), Terry Connor (Wolves)
    Other: Noel Blake (England Under-16 coach), Chris Ramsay (Tottenham Under-16 coach), Steve Brown (QPR Centre of Excellence boss)
    * From Warwick Business School

    He was sacked eight months into his troubled tenure, the final straw being the now infamous 3-1 defeat by Inverness Caledonian Thistle in the Scottish Cup.

    The former England winger admits he made mistakes in at Celtic but not enough to consign him to the managerial scrapheap forever.

    "There aren't many managers who have never made mistakes, especially early on in their careers," said Barnes.

    "You learn from your mistakes and come back stronger and better from them. There are also plenty of managers who keep failing but continue to get employed.

    "I'm passionate about football and management and am willing to make my way up from the bottom but I'm not getting any opportunities."

    While the 44-year-old is delighted by Ince's appointment, he is sceptical about whether it will herald a new dawn for black bosses.

    His experiences, as well of those of other aspiring black managers like Luther Blissett, have persuaded him that there is not equality of opportunity.

    "I believe the situation for black managers is like it was for black players back in the 1970s," he stated.

    "Black players used to be put out on the wing because it was deemed they could run fast but not think too well.

    "They weren't trusted to be a playmaker in central midfield or to wear the captain's armband.


    "Now I think there is an analogous situation in management. Chairmen don't believe we can do the top managerial jobs.
    "I look at someone like Luther Blissett, who is a former England international and has played abroad at the top level.

    "He has been applying for manager's jobs in the Football League for 15 years and not got anywhere. This is all about opportunities."

    Although Ince's appointment has been heralded as a major breakthrough for black managers, there is still a dearth of coaches of non-white bosses in the game.

    Keith Alexander, who succeeded Ince at Macclesfield, is the only other black manager in the Football League.

    Even more startling is the statistic, provided by Warwick Business School, that there are only seven other black coaches of any capacity in the league.

    This constitutes only about 1% of the total number of coaches.

    Perhaps drawing on his own experiences at Celtic, Barnes says it is unfair to hold Ince up as a pioneer for all black managers.

    He said: "If he doesn't succeed, does that count against all black managers? I don't think so, just as if he does succeed it doesn't mean all black managers are good."

    Barnes, who is currently working as a television pundit and a part-time scout for Sunderland, says he has the utmost respect for what Ince has achieved.

    "He has done things the hard way, proving himself with Macclesfield and MK Dons," commented Barnes. "While Roy Keane and Gareth Southgate were given chances at the top, he went to the bottom club in the league.

    "I really hope he can succeed at Blackburn."

    Story from BBC SPORT:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/spo...ll/7463038.stm

    Published: 2008/06/23 05:40:32 GMT

    © BBC MMVIII
    It is refreshing to see a player such as Barnes speaking up.

  • #2
    He should keep trying, and maybe change gears and look for an assistant job, and then use that as a spring board for a manager's job.
    Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else - Vince Lombardi

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    • #3
      Keep trying for how much longer? The man said he has been trying (since Celtics 1999) for jobs even in the lower leagues and there has been no response.

      What this speaks to in a sense also, is the fact that Blacks need to position themselves to be owners/major shareholders in soccer leagues. Blacks have made millions of dollars playing in these sports. If some of these former players come together and pool their resources in a consortium, then they could look to buy teams and hence have more corporate power with which to make decisions on hiring Black managers.

      Ince at Blackburn, Gullit at La Galaxy, and the now relieved Rijkaard at Barcelona shows that there is a hope on the horizon for more knowledgable Blacks to be involved in the sports.
      "The contribution of forumites and others who visit shouldn’t be discounted, and offending people shouldn’t be the first thing on our minds. Most of us are educated and can do better." Mi bredrin Sass Jan. 29,2011

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Farmah View Post
        If some of these former players come together and pool their resources in a consortium, then they could look to buy teams and hence have more corporate power with which to make decisions on hiring Black managers.
        Former black players worldwide are more likely to spend their money on girls & cars, than investing their funds in purchasing a professional club.
        Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else - Vince Lombardi

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        • #5
          relevance??!!.....is that what blisset, barnes and ince have been doing? you have white players who squander their money too. i doubt that the squanderers are applying for managerial positions.

          Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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          • #6
            Don't look to former players of any race fi purchase clubs. It is black business owners who are the ones who are more likely fi purchase a club.
            Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else - Vince Lombardi

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            • #7
              Here you go Johnny. Thank me later

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              • #8
                from your private stock?!!!

                Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gamma View Post
                  from your private stock?!!!
                  How yuh mean? This nah happen to me again:

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWls3...eature=related

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-9tcXpW1DE

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Farmah View Post
                    What this speaks to in a sense also, is the fact that Blacks need to position themselves to be owners/major shareholders in soccer leagues. Blacks have made millions of dollars playing in these sports. If some of these former players come together and pool their resources in a consortium, then they could look to buy teams and hence have more corporate power with which to make decisions on hiring Black managers.
                    Why should they have to, Farmah? How much is a club worth?

                    I disagree, Farmah. They shouldn't have to go thru all of that. Yes, it would be great if they do, but that should not be the only option available to them. If coaching is what they want to do, then once they have the necessary certificates, then they deserve a break like everyone else.


                    BLACK LIVES MATTER

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bricktop View Post
                      What a way you know bout these ads? Mind yuh nuh!
                      "Jamaica's future reflects its past, having attained only one per cent annual growth over 30 years whilst neighbours have grown at five per cent." (Article)

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                      • #12
                        Indians, Chinese & Japanese people have been bleaching their skins for generations.

                        For some reason, it is perceived that skin bleaching is only an issue in African countries & with people of African descent.
                        Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else - Vince Lombardi

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                        • #13
                          bwoy di way mi black it "beyond di pale"

                          Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                          • #14
                            Mo here's why they should:

                            We (Blacks) get the money in our hands and instead of investing in the corporate sector, we instead become great consumers. If the other ethnic groups (Whites [Jews, Anglo etc.], Arabs, Chinese) invest their money to do business, then we (Blacks) should not be upset when our own people within the diaspora find it hard to get jobs within these sectors. Why should the white man invest his money to create jobs for Blacks, when his own white brother/sister is hunting the same job? If we want our people to have equal opportunities then our people with money need to also invest in corporations.

                            I look at the USA for an example, Blacks make millions (in basketball, football, baseball and movies), yet their contribution to corporate America is minimal in terms of ownership. Yes, they do contribute in terms of consumption. But they very rarely go back to their old neighbourhoods and set up businesses to create jobs. Other ethnic groups sieze upon these opportunities however. For our people to have a fair chance in the job marketplace, then we should also have a similar voice and colour up there in the corporate sector. Far too often we become this great consumer, instead of an investor. Until we as Blacks can rise above the show-and-tell culture, and start to invest more then our people will always become second or third choices. Period!
                            "The contribution of forumites and others who visit shouldn’t be discounted, and offending people shouldn’t be the first thing on our minds. Most of us are educated and can do better." Mi bredrin Sass Jan. 29,2011

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                            • #15
                              I have nothing against black ownership of clubs, but we should not let anyone off the hook for practising discrimination against us. If I don't want to own a club, why should I? I want a job as a manager. If I am qualified I should be given a chance, esp. after you may have used me for yours to bring glory to your club.


                              BLACK LIVES MATTER

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