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  • Jack Warner screws smaller CONCACAF nations.

    Just saw this interesting article on Big Soccer forum.



    CONCACAF Follies

    Posted Yesterday at 01:33 PM by Bill Archer
    Updated Yesterday at 03:07 PM by Bill Archer
    The British Virgin Islands lost their World Cup Qualifying home-and-home with the Bahamas on what is BEING DESCRIBED AS A "TECHNICALITY". Some others might call it just another Jack Warner-style scandal.

    The first match between the two, last Wednesday, was played to a 1-1 draw. The "return leg" was played yesterday to a 2-2 draw.

    Immediately after the match it was announced that the Bahamas had won "on aggregate", because they had scored two goals "on the road" which, in this case, meant in Nassau. In the Bahamas.

    Following along?

    You see, FIFA ruled that the British Virgin Islands has no suitable field for this caliber of match. So CONCACAF arranged for both matches to be played in the Bahamas. The first match was randomly designated the "away" match for the Islands, and the match on Sunday - in exactly the same place- was designated their "home" match.

    But the real question is: Why doesn't the BVI have a "suitable venue"? FIFA annually awards millions and millions of dollars in "development" money for just this purpose, and CONCACAF certainly gets it's share.

    The problem is that in 1999 Jack Warner decided that what CONCACAF needed was a permanent "training center" based (naturally) in T & T. The place he had in mind, complete with stadium, 6 practice fields and a hotel complete with restaurant to house visitors, was estimated to cost US$16 million.Warner decided to name it after former FIFA BOSS JOAO HAVELANGE who used to call Warner "My brother"

    But the total amount FIFA had budgeted, for ALL of CONCACAF development, for the next five years was US$10 million.

    Nevertheless, FIFA gave the go ahead for Warner to spend every dime of the money on his little palace and co-signed a loan with a Swiss bank for the other $6 million.

    Then, in 2002, after CONCACAF had made exactly NO payments on the loan, FIFA wrote him a letter telling him not to worry about it; they were paying off the $6 million note.

    So Warner spent $16 million for a place which is used roughly 30 days a year for "training" officials or coaches or whatever. (FIFA generally foots every dime of the expenses for these as well)

    It's a lovely place, with extensive gardens



    a lovely "swimming complex"



    ...a beautiful hotel complex...



    ... a massive "indoor facility (this is just the lobby).....



    ...with plenty of room for events honoring Jack Warner....

    .

    ...and including state of the art technology that would make the Pentagon swoon.

    Meanwhile, several countries who had been scheduled to get FIFA quality fields, like the British Virgin Islands, still don't have one and aren't likely to get one in the near future.

    So they play and home and home in someone else's building and get bounced from the tournament because they draw two games.

    Welcome to CONCACAF

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    I used to comment on these things. No longer!


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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
      I used to comment on these things. No longer!
      sounds like a comment to me.

      Is Jack genetically connected (to FIFA, that is)?

      All that opulence will serve to make the Soca Worriers even softer than they naturally are.
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      • #4
        So BVI would have gotten a FIFA approved ground? No way if the money was spent other than in T'dad BVI could have been out via 'the luck of the draw'?

        Jack may be a selfish lover of T'dad...but the reasoning is crap!
        "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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        • #5
          BVI should have played on neutral grounds

          Why couldn't/didn't BVI should plaved their home match on neutral grounds?

          Anyhow, a better way on now is to flip a coint.


          Originally posted by Jamaica2099 View Post
          Just saw this interesting article on Big Soccer forum.



          CONCACAF Follies

          Posted Yesterday at 01:33 PM by Bill Archer
          Updated Yesterday at 03:07 PM by Bill Archer
          The British Virgin Islands lost their World Cup Qualifying home-and-home with the Bahamas on what is BEING DESCRIBED AS A "TECHNICALITY". Some others might call it just another Jack Warner-style scandal.

          The first match between the two, last Wednesday, was played to a 1-1 draw. The "return leg" was played yesterday to a 2-2 draw.

          Immediately after the match it was announced that the Bahamas had won "on aggregate", because they had scored two goals "on the road" which, in this case, meant in Nassau. In the Bahamas.

          Following along?

          You see, FIFA ruled that the British Virgin Islands has no suitable field for this caliber of match. So CONCACAF arranged for both matches to be played in the Bahamas. The first match was randomly designated the "away" match for the Islands, and the match on Sunday - in exactly the same place- was designated their "home" match.

          But the real question is: Why doesn't the BVI have a "suitable venue"? FIFA annually awards millions and millions of dollars in "development" money for just this purpose, and CONCACAF certainly gets it's share.

          The problem is that in 1999 Jack Warner decided that what CONCACAF needed was a permanent "training center" based (naturally) in T & T. The place he had in mind, complete with stadium, 6 practice fields and a hotel complete with restaurant to house visitors, was estimated to cost US$16 million.Warner decided to name it after former FIFA BOSS JOAO HAVELANGE who used to call Warner "My brother"

          But the total amount FIFA had budgeted, for ALL of CONCACAF development, for the next five years was US$10 million.

          Nevertheless, FIFA gave the go ahead for Warner to spend every dime of the money on his little palace and co-signed a loan with a Swiss bank for the other $6 million.

          Then, in 2002, after CONCACAF had made exactly NO payments on the loan, FIFA wrote him a letter telling him not to worry about it; they were paying off the $6 million note.

          So Warner spent $16 million for a place which is used roughly 30 days a year for "training" officials or coaches or whatever. (FIFA generally foots every dime of the expenses for these as well)

          It's a lovely place, with extensive gardens



          a lovely "swimming complex"



          ...a beautiful hotel complex...



          ... a massive "indoor facility (this is just the lobby).....



          ...with plenty of room for events honoring Jack Warner....

          .

          ...and including state of the art technology that would make the Pentagon swoon.

          Meanwhile, several countries who had been scheduled to get FIFA quality fields, like the British Virgin Islands, still don't have one and aren't likely to get one in the near future.

          So they play and home and home in someone else's building and get bounced from the tournament because they draw two games.

          Welcome to CONCACAF
          The same type of thinking that created a problem cannot be used to solve the problem.

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          • #6
            The money thing and Jack is nothing new. He just mortgaged another property of his to fund the Soca Warriors something or another. The article didn't mention the artificial turf that was just laid up at the Centre of Excellence for a huge sum of $$

            What doesn't make sense is that BVI agreed to this away and away match set up. They should have demanded that their home game be played on neutral territory, or territory closer to their home.

            If they had a say AND agreed to it then they shouldn't complain. Now, Jack should see about getting them a proper venue.

            pr
            Last edited by Peter R; April 1, 2008, 09:49 PM.
            Peter R

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Peter R View Post
              The money thing and Jack is nothing new. He just mortgaged another property of his to fund the Soca Warriors something or another. The article didn't mention the artificial turf that was just laid up at the Centre of Excellence for a huge sum of $$

              What doesn't make sense is that BVI agreed to this away and away match set up. They should have demanded that their home game be played on neutral territory, or territory closer to their home.

              If they had a say AND agreed to it then they shouldn't complain. Now, Jack should see about getting them a proper venue.

              pr
              What is also not spoken about is, was there 'a money deal' cut by the BVI?

              Let's face facts if the BVI had played on a neutral grounds there would/could be 'third party costs' (i.e. the neutral FA's fee and possible additional costs. ...say for e.g. Where the same refs used for both legs? That would be less expensive for the BVI than flying in another ref team...etc.) to be borne by the BVI FA. ...or refs nearer to the agreed playing area than flying them to the perferred neutral ground?

              Not saying cost was a factor...but suggesting we have not a clue why the BVI went the way it did! Football is a business!
              "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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              • #8
                i cannot speak about jack warner's house but this is an inaccurate story certainly where BVI is concerned ..... true there is not field at the moment...but the why is not accurate.

                Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                • #9
                  I need to know something....

                  is it mandatory that each country need to have a league going to qualify them for WC participation. Reason I ask is that there is no organized football being played right now in the Bahamas.

                  There was a Div 1 & 2 league competition that was been played for the past couple of years. The BFA then made a ruling that it is now mandatory that all teams must have at least 8 Bahamians on the roster, also all non-Bahamian must present their papers of legal residency in the country.

                  Guess wha, the league mash up. Not enough Bahamians to make up the 8, the Haitians, Jamaicans and Central Americans players went into hiding. So no ball nah play.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DiGlor View Post
                    is it mandatory that each country need to have a league going to qualify them for WC participation. Reason I ask is that there is no organized football being played right now in the Bahamas.

                    There was a Div 1 & 2 league competition that was been played for the past couple of years. The BFA then made a ruling that it is now mandatory that all teams must have at least 8 Bahamians on the roster, also all non-Bahamian must present their papers of legal residency in the country.

                    Guess wha, the league mash up. Not enough Bahamians to make up the 8, the Haitians, Jamaicans and Central Americans players went into hiding. So no ball nah play.
                    Interesting!
                    Thanks for this info!
                    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                    • #11
                      Pictures lie. The place is not half as good looking as it seems in the pics. The article is mostly hyperbole.

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                      • #12
                        The amount of money spent isn't hyperbole though.

                        pr
                        Peter R

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                        • #13
                          BTW are players from Martinique, Guadeloupe and French Guyana eligible to play for either France or their own country without any formality in stating allegiance? just wondering. I see each of these countries is a member of CONCACAF but in the past we've seen many of them play for France. Most notable, for me, was Marius Tresor who captained France in the late 70s and who hailed from Guadeloupe, home also to Lillian Thuram .

                          pr
                          Peter R

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                          • #14
                            martinique and guadeloupe are members of CFU...i don't think they are members of CONCACAF....

                            Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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