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    You would think with the major clubs in london and mancheseter they would not go all the way to the country to build.. What do they know that we dont.


    Establishing a national football centre at Burton is as important as the appointment of Fabio Capello as England coach, says Sir Trevor Brooking. Brooking, the Football Association's development director, has urged his bosses to approve the much-delayed project at Thursday's board meeting.
    "Burton is certainly up there with anything else we're going to do," said the FA's development director.
    "If we don't get it right the England coach's job will get that much harder."
    606: DEBATE
    Shouldn't learning come before winning for our young players?

    BBC Sport understands that supporters of the project, which is in Staffordshire, are confident it will get the go-ahead on Thursday, albeit in a scaled-down version of the original plans.

    But there remains significant opposition on the FA board, most notably from those within the professional game. The leading Burton sceptics are believed to be Football League chairman Lord Mawhinney and Premier League chairman Sir David Richards.

    Mawhinney's hostility to the NFC project is believed to have been stiffened by his annoyance that the FA canvassed opinion on Burton from the 72 Football League clubs without his knowledge. The governing body has been forced to apologise for this diplomatic gaffe.
    THE LONG ROAD TO BURTON
    February 2001: The FA buys 350 acres of the Byrkley Park Estate for a reported £2m, planning permission granted in June, NFC to open in 2003

    October 2002: Chief executive Adam Crozier and technical director Howard Wilkinson leave FA, first doubts emerge

    January 2003: The FA board agrees to proceed, new completion date of May 2004

    September 2004: Distracted by Wembley and tabloid scandals at HQ, the FA halts work

    April 2005: NFC decision is postponed

    September 2006: Decision postponed again

    November 2006: Board reportedly votes to scrap NFC, reconsiders and postpones decision again

    December 2007: Final decision on NFC expected

    Early 2010: The NFC opens for business?


    And Richards has always been unconvinced about the scheme's purpose, value for money and venue. He, like Mawhinney, is an advocate of smaller, regional bases that would support the work already done by the clubs' academies and centres of excellence.

    Thursday's meeting will involve FA commercial director Jonathan Hill presenting four scenarios to the 12-man board - go ahead with the NFC as planned, approve a scaled-down version, redevelop the site with a partner or scrap the scheme entirely.

    Despite the dissenting voices, a more modest interpretation of the original blueprint is expected to get the board's approval - although there is a chance the final nod will not come until after the FA's new, independent chairman is in place next year.

    For Brooking, the green light cannot come soon enough, as he views Burton as a key component of the "root and branch" changes he wants to make to the way we produce footballers in this country.

    Hailed as the English equivalent of French football's Clairefontaine or Italy's Coverciano, the NFC was intended to be the training base for all England teams - from the U16s to the senior side - and act as the focal point for the FA's coaching and player development work.
    You cannot imagine a federation of the size of England has no headquarters and no grounds to develop their whole football education


    Arsene Wenger


    "I think we all believe we should have a hub site, a catalyst to pull all this together," stated the 59-year-old.
    "The debate has been going on for a while but you would like to think that it could be taken to the next stage.

    "It's for the board to decide but it would certainly help in the overall picture of what we're trying to do. Our regional and national coaches don't have a base."

    Brooking is not opposed to the concept of regional bases - and points out that the French Football Federation has now opened eight "mini Clairefontaines" around the country - but is adamant that Burton must come first.

    "If you get the green light then you can look at what needs to be put in place at Burton," he said.
    "There are lots of options. Is it just a one-off and do you link it with the academies that are already out there? Or do you need a couple of regional centres too, or more?
    "Or you can tap into the English Institute of Sport and UK Sport outlets?"
    In terms of the long-term future of football here, the decision on Burton is more crucial than who should manage England


    Howard Wilkinson


    Interestingly, one of the more vocal advocates of the need for an English 'Clairefontaine' has been Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger.
    "It is crucial. You cannot imagine that in 2007 a federation of the size of England has no headquarters and no grounds to develop their whole football education," said the Frenchman.

    If Burton is approved, a business plan could be agreed by February and construction of the NFC's main buildings could start, with a target completion date of 2010. The bill is believed to have risen from £30m six years ago to £80m now.

    First mooted in former FA technical director Howard Wilkinson's 1997 Charter for Quality, the NFC started to take shape in 2001 when 350 acres of Staffordshire countryside were purchased and plans were drawn up.

    But a series of delays, primarily caused by the governing body's Wembley-related financial problems, culminated in a decision to halt construction in 2004 - two years after the NFC was originally supposed to open - with only the basic infrastructure and pitches completed.
    Wilkinson wanted Burton to be "an inspirational place"


    The project has been in limbo ever since, with some FA board members calling for the governing body to cut its losses and sell Burton. This would result in a considerable loss as over £20m has been spent already and the site's re-sale value is believed to be in the region of £5m.

    For Wilkinson, the man who started it all, the time for debate has passed.
    "I wouldn't be personally offended if they want to change the place or the buildings," the 64-year-old former Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday manager told BBC Sport.

    "What matters to me, and others, is that we do something. We have to stop talking about Burton and switch our minds on to the concept of education and the need for a centre that is a focal point of that education.
    SPORT EDITORS' BLOG
    The future direction of English football will remain one of the most important issues on our agenda


    Richard Burgess


    "In terms of the long-term future of football in this country, the decision on Burton is more crucial than the decision on who should manage England.

    "We have to leave all personal and political considerations aside and get this right. It's critical that we have a National Football Centre and it's critical that the National Football Centre embodies a philosophy that can take us forward.

    "It's a no-brainer for me. The main function of any governing body is to educate and develop. It's crucial to the lifeblood of any sport. That has to be the priority and you cannot take risks with it or it will come back to haunt you."
    Last edited by Karl; December 18, 2007, 12:17 PM.

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    Excellent article, OJ!!! Took a quick glance and it appears there are so many issues that are similar to our own. Will re-read in detail now.


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      "If Burton is approved, a business plan could be agreed by February and construction of the NFC's main buildings could start, with a target completion date of 2010. The bill is believed to have risen from £30m six years ago to £80m now.
      First mooted in former FA technical director Howard Wilkinson's 1997 Charter for Quality, the NFC started to take shape in 2001 when 350 acres of Staffordshire countryside were purchased and plans were drawn up."

      Boxhill wasn't doing too badly!


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      • #4
        very very interesting and shows exactly why Munro Villa is a

        nonsense site!

        It is very, very interesting that the idea of our FA Academy that I hold is repeated over and over in OJ's post.

        Certainly I started from what do we need?

        ...or, put another way what are our needs and what type of institution do we need to satisfy the needs?

        Then once the needs where identified the next question surrounded cost?

        ...then how best to meet the needs at affordable costs?

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        Needs - Development that has at base - All-Island discovery of talent and nuturing of that All-Island talent to attain full potential....full potential for the individual & for the country!

        Well to first find talent there must be working along with all entities who manage and or have 'all the youth' as captive pupils.

        Sooo...all those instituions must have the teachers who can impart the basics for introducing the youth to the game.

        ...and, all the youth who are not fortunate to be identified at the stage at which we would be moving them to the Academy must have support systems to allow their development.

        Why?
        1. It is recognised that humans (those identifying the talent)
        make mistakes and humans sometimes lose the will to go on (those chosen to attend the academy) and humans develop at differing rates (those not chosen and or because there was not enough space to accommodate those talents in the Academy).

        2. Those who must gain the 'expert knowledge' to use in identifying football talent suited for the academy - must be also trained.

        3. Along every step of this All-Island development process there must be those trained to manage 'di football' at those stages.

        4. Those who manage games ...the referees...must also be trained.

        5. Those who take care of grounds must also be trained.

        6. All areas where support services originate must be trained.

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        It certainly would be more cost effective to use the Academy to do all this training!

        It would certianly be given the financial strength of our JFF to find out how synergies to effect cost-sharing and sharing of other resources could be incorporated into the planned and actual operation of the Academy..

        SIZE - Extremely important! ...future expansion as demand for services increase and new technologies come on stream! ...number of male and female national teams and other learning seminars/training sessions needing to simultaneous be in residence increases.

        ACCESS - Ease of access to the Academy from every corner of the island and to largest pool of experts and specialized support equipment.

        PROXIMITY to support external service providers, entities and institutions.

        Must be a multi-purpose facility!

        GC Foster School of Sports and Physical Education - It physical structures and resources and 44 plus acres...with adjoining lands up for 'grabs' by our JFF!
        Last edited by Karl; December 18, 2007, 12:52 PM.
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        • #5
          Karl, haven't you heard? The decision has already been made. Settle down.


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          • #6
            its funny as the english clubs will say we have these academies but what is important is the idea that they can be hubs but you must have a centre. Munro or Malvern must be our Centre and over time we can have hubs in portmore, or st james and st ann.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
              Karl, haven't you heard? The decision has already been made. Settle down.
              I believe so...but, that has nothing to do with my thoughts on the matter....just once more - running through them again!
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              • #8
                Knock yourself out!


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                • #9
                  how did you get that from the article. I got from Wegner and Wilkinson people who have spent many hours thinking about these things and konw intimately about different structre that you need a central acamdemy for football and it dont need to be attached to urban centres or clubs. Arsenal has one of the best !did you hear wenger say you dont need burton use ours? or Pool saying that. Do you think its by accident they put it in thier national parks resevation area? Why not london or Brihimham. They are about 5 major clubs in Birhmimham. Why do you think they go for a remote site and did not factor in Gatwick and Heartrow in the equation. See karl you and your cronies argument is not supported by any one of the major national academy. Not even the US. I wonder why the IMG academy is not in LA! hell or new york.

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                  • #10
                    What never ceases to amaze me is how Karl can see what he wants to see. Be it Tappa's performance, the PNP's performance, the above article - it doesn't matter, he will read what he wants to read and take from it what he wants to take from it.

                    Still trying to see how the article is in agreeance with his notion of an academy, but hey, if he does, great!


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by OJ View Post
                      its funny as the english clubs will say we have these academies but what is important is the idea that they can be hubs but you must have a centre. Munro or Malvern must be our Centre and over time we can have hubs in portmore, or st james and st ann.

                      Too small!
                      Too costly to build out!
                      Too costly to maintain!
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                      • #12
                        Sit here wondering misself.


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                        • #13
                          There is more land there than at GC Foster.


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                            Originally posted by OJ View Post
                            how did you get that from the article. I got from Wegner and Wilkinson people who have spent many hours thinking about these things and konw intimately about different structre that you need a central acamdemy for football and it dont need to be attached to urban centres or clubs. Arsenal has one of the best !did you hear wenger say you dont need burton use ours? or Pool saying that. Do you think its by accident they put it in thier national parks resevation area? Why not london or Brihimham. They are about 5 major clubs in Birhmimham. Why do you think they go for a remote site and did not factor in Gatwick and Heartrow in the equation. See karl you and your cronies argument is not supported by any one of the major national academy. Not even the US. I wonder why the IMG academy is not in LA! hell or new york.
                            I can speculate...and it follows naturally along my earlier posts -

                            First - This is not a club's Academy!
                            The aims are different...as the interests are different. Wenger and any other Club person would be silly to jump to the conclusion that Arsenal's interests and England's are one and the same. How you could even think along those lines puzzles me.

                            Then - Why national parks?
                            First you would have to consider availabilty of space and costs associated with acquiring same.

                            Obviously you missed all the points I made about "size" and "ease of access" and "proximity" to needed outside support services!

                            How in God's name could you compare the location the FA chose in relation to England with Munro in relation to Jamaica? How in your mind's eye could you see "size", "ease of access" and "proximity" to outside support service requirements in that 1st world country as equivalent to our country?

                            Do you for one moment also believe that we can afford to, for example, put in health facilities and supporting staff on the scale that England can?

                            We must look at what those much more developed and financially better able football associations can do...but, we must mold to our circumstance and our situation!

                            The GC Foster School of Sport and its surrounding acreage along with ease of access and proximity to outside surrounding support services and personel would give us an Academy closest to that FA idea and plan.

                            The question you ask shows you are not looking as far as I am. You are merely blinded by surface gloss!
                            Last edited by Karl; December 18, 2007, 01:45 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
                              There is more land there than at GC Foster.

                              Where more hillside? ..or, are you suggesting we take over the school's buildings and grounds?
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