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    Academy on the move again?
    published: Thursday | December 13, 2007

    Audley Boyd, Assistant Sport Editor

    ( L - R ) Stewart, McIntosh
    CONCERNS RAISED by chairman of the Jamaica Football Federation's (JFF) technical committee, Howard McIntosh, have triggered speculation that the FIFA Goal Project - the national football academy on which more than $35 million has already been spent as it nears completion, could be relocated to another site.
    This follows an inspection by members of the top brass and technical staff of the JFF on Tuesday at the facility known as Munro Villas in St. Elizabeth.

    Based on the tour, a report will be written and submitted to the JFF's board of directors, which is expected to make a decision at a meeting in St. Elizabeth next Saturday.

    The JFF team that visited the site on Tuesday included all three vice- presidents, Dale Spencer, Bruce Gaynor and Raymond Anderson, treasurer Gary Sinclair, technical committee chairman Howard McIntosh and members Lincoln 'Happy' Sutherland and Clyde Jureidini, as well as St. James FA president Orville Powell, who is also a board member.

    Construction responsibility
    While Carvel Stewart, the chairman on CFC Construction and long-serving football executive who is responsible for the construction of the academy was fully supportive, other executives openly expressed displeasure and McIntosh criticised several factors relating to its secluded location in the hills, building costs and documentation.

    "There seems to be more questions than answers and it has forced me now to seek a better understanding of the original concept of the academy," said McIntosh after inspecting the structure and looking at the site proposed for field usage. "Just having dorm rooms down here is not enough," he said. He added: "There's no signed agreement as yet. I don't know all the history, but I want to go back to the original concept of what the academy should have been.
    "They have spent $22 million to acquire land here and it would have been zero cost ... based on a 99-year lease (for a site initially proposed in Portmore) and a proposal by the Government to look at G.C. Foster."

    Continuing, he stated: "The fundamental question is why would you spend money to acquire land when you were getting land free? "The other concern has to do with distance away from urban centres and our national playing facilities. It took us four hours to get here we made two stops along the way."

    It wasn't all doom and gloom though, as far as McIntosh was concerned.

    Opportunities
    "The whole environment is a plus and the linkages with Munro, one of the premier institutions in the country, and the opportunities for education," he said.

    Ground was first broken for the Goal project at an area in front of the Portmore Mall in Portmore, St. Catherine, in 2003 under the Captain Horace Burrell-led JFF executive.
    A week later, the sport's leadership changed hands at its election Congress and the direction shifted with a proposed site at G.C. Foster College, then Munro, which eventually got the nod.

    With the recent change in administration on November 4 and a Burrell-led team back at the helm, the pendulum appears to be shifting again.

    Stewart and Lovel Smith, owner and managing director of the firm dealing with the construction - Mandeville-based Lovel Smith Construction Company, conducted the tour of the academy, which is situated on a three-acre property.
    It includes four two-storey buildings, two and a half of which were already built when the JFF purchased the property for $23 million from a private developer who had been setting up a villa.

    Building cost is set at $22 million and each structure has four bedrooms equipped with a closet and bathroom.

    Stewart revealed that "... what has been paid by FIFA on it is $35 million ... that's been spent so far. The JFF spent some minor amounts."

    He also indicated that Harold Taylor, who is responsible for FIFA Goal Projects in the region, indicated that another US$400,000 was available for the project.

    Provision has also been made for a presentation area for lectures, reception area, administrative offices, dining room, along with kitchen, pantry, office and staff changing facilities. Projections also include a water tank for each building.

    In terms of the playing area, that's where Munro College fits in significantly, as it is expected to provide that space for the JFF to set up four fields or use its existing ones, according to discussions it had with the previous administration.

    No written agreement
    Concerning the fields, there is no written agreement between the parties but the school's principal, Blandford Gayle, told The Gleaner "the deal is not dead" and the Munro and Dickenson Trust, which owns the land, is still open for negotiations.

    Stewart, brought on board initially to assist in choosing the project site - with the G.C. Foster College also in the running at the time - explained that "Dr. Paul Auden, a board member of Munro, had made the proposal to the JFF in writing. Munro had made an offer to the JFF to lease the entire 22 acres."

    He noted how over time things had changed to the purchasing of a permanent base on private property in front of the school while they were still exercising an option to lease the land for field purposes under "symbiotic" terms.

    This included setting up a catchment area from which water would be pumped for irrigation purposes to the fields, as well as educational opportunities for players in camp benefiting from tuition, as well as the school's footballers partici-pating in lectures at the academy.

    There are two other institutions within close proximity - Hampton High for girls and Bethlehem College.

    "I do not support relocating the academy, I think we should finish what we have here," stated Stewart, while noting the decision was not his. "The academy is an asset of the JFF."
    He added: "At the moment a review is being done ... If we go with what we have here now it will take about four months with payment and focus, because contractors need confidence."

    The project has twice been stalled because Smith was not paid as scheduled but both the JFF and Munro have benefited through the reciprocal arrangement before, while the women's team camped at Munro.

    According to Gayle: "We're still open for this type of relationship if the current administration is interested.
    "As far as we are concerned it was for the JFF to sign a lease ... for land on which the playing fields were to be sorted out. It had not got to the point where we signed off." The Munro principal added: "The current administration must speak with the Munro and Dickenson Trust. We are very enthused to support the national programme. We find it very important. If the current administration puts a proper proposal to the Trust, the Trust is open to discussion."
    Last edited by Karl; December 13, 2007, 12:13 PM.


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  • #2
    Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
    "There's no signed agreement as yet. I don't know all the history, but I want to go back to the original concept of what the academy should have been.

    So now there was an "original concept". Who knows about this? Or is it what the chairman of the tech. c'tee conceived himself?

    Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
    Ground was first broken for the Goal project at an area in front of the Portmore Mall in Portmore, St. Catherine, in 2003 under the Captain Horace Burrell-led JFF executive.
    Originally posted by Mosiah View Post

    A week later, the sport's leadership changed hands at its election Congress and the direction shifted with a proposed site at G.C. Foster College, then Munro, which eventually got the nod.
    In front of the Portmore Mall -
    A week later...obvious that there was no serious intent to put the academy anywhere. It was all an election gimmick.


    Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
    The Munro principal added: "The current administration must speak with the Munro and Dickenson Trust. We are very enthused to support the national programme. We find it very important. If the current administration puts a proper proposal to the Trust, the Trust is open to discussion."


    Sigh. The Munro & Dickenson Trust can take its hands off the telephone receiver. THe decision is already made.


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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
      The project has twice been stalled because Smith was not paid as scheduled...
      Not paid by FIFA! Let's put to rest this idea that it was another screw-up by Boxhill that caused this. Maybe we should be asking why the FIFA funds were held up!


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      • #4
        "They have spent $22 million to acquire land here and it would have been zero cost ... based on a 99-year lease (for a site initially proposed in Portmore) and a proposal by the Government to look at G.C. Foster."
        Continuing, he stated: "The fundamental question is why would you spend money to acquire land when you were getting land free? "



        I asked said question on the intial plan to purchase? penny wise pound foolish ..idiots !
        THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

        "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


        "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by X View Post
          "They have spent $22 million to acquire land here and it would have been zero cost ... based on a 99-year lease (for a site initially proposed in Portmore) and a proposal by the Government to look at G.C. Foster."
          Continuing, he stated: "The fundamental question is why would you spend money to acquire land when you were getting land free? "


          I asked said question on the intial plan to purchase? penny wise pound foolish ..idiots !
          I can answer this considering I was in the same situation 4 years ago. My youth club was in the same position where a guy with a large piece of undeveloped land was going to lease it to us for $1 dollar a year. The lease was going to be for 30 years. We were free to develop what we wanted on it fields, buildings, pubs, stadium etc.,

          Ths issue is even though you are getting the land virtually free the owners can pull it out from under you once you build up the property value by building your facility there. It would make no financial sense to put all the money into developing something you do not own. Fortunately for my club we had people who were knowledgeable enough to steer us away from this direction as tempting as it was.

          Now if the school wanted to give the JFF the land that is one thing. Outside of that the JFF is smart to stay away from this. I would respectfully disagree and say they are being wise in this situation. They were not getting the land for free by any means. It would have been a mirage. (Balla 3:16) - T.K.
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          • #6
            I notice Mosiah carefully avoided this statement. Always looking for away to Bash the current admin. I guess Burrell was the one who held up the FIFA funds and Boxhill hands were tied. So Mosiah, will we be soon hearing a call to re-elect Boxhill....This must be a joke.

            TK, I think the comment you made on Leases is too general and doesn't hold true in many cases. Leases are something that happens around the world and people do the samething...lease and develop.
            It was a 99 year lease at $1. Can you get better than that?
            You could even negotiate an extention of the orginal lease in the contract. You could also add terms that make it virtually impossible to break...such has a huge penalty.
            I won't be fooled by this one....I review Leases as part of my daily job. Imagine if we could take that 22MM and invest it for 99 years.....wow, we probably could build 10 more academies

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Plush View Post
              TK, I think the comment you made on Leases is too general and doesn't hold true in many cases.
              My friend I defer to the expert.

              I was just relating it to my own experience and buying our own property outright turned out to be a windfall for us. There was no need for us to risk building up his land value while we had to worry in another 30 years of whether the family was going to sell or not. In our case we made the right decision I felt. - T.K.
              Last edited by T.K.; December 13, 2007, 10:31 AM.
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              • #8
                Ah bet yuh never hear from X again about dis. Yuh waan bet?!


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mosiah View Post
                  Ah bet yuh never hear from X again about dis. Yuh waan bet?!
                  Read Plush's post below. He has a background in this stuff and his opinion differs from mind. So I would trust his take on it more than mine. I was just trying to relate it to my experience with my club because we had the same debate as we're having on this forum about the same thing. - T.K.
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                  • #10
                    A lease comes with a contract that has to be agreed by both parties , In said contract was it stipulated that if the lease is broken by the owners of the property then all investment on said property shall be returned monetarily?
                    THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                    "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                    "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                    • #11
                      Thanks plush I didnt see your response , Mo is just penny wise and pound foolish..ead nuh good!
                      THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                      "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                      "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by X View Post
                        A lease comes with a contract that has to be agreed by both parties , In said contract was it stipulated that if the lease is broken by the owners of the property then all investment on said property shall be returned monetarily?
                        I can't imagine any property owner agreeing to that. At the end of the lease, if they decided not to renew, they would tell you to take your raw materials and move right? Or am I wrong and still looking too narrowly at it from my one experience? Plush chime in here please. - T.K.
                        No need to thank me forumites.

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                        • #13
                          Read it, and while it may make all the sense in the world (both points of view) I would like to think there were other factors that brought about the move to Munro.


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                          • #14
                            agree.. spend yuh money and own something... not everyting free is good... dat is a fundamental jamaican problem... love of freeness...
                            'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Plush View Post
                              Imagine if we could take that 22MM and invest it for 99 years.....wow, we probably could build 10 more academies
                              plush... point well taken... the fact, is we dont know all the terms and conditions or options associated with the proposed lease arrangment...

                              as you said about the investment... that would be all good if it was stated and executed as the objective for pursuing the lease arrangement... not sure, i have the confidence that any of the administrators would commit to the investment...

                              my primary objection is the consideration give to the location of the academy across from the portmore mall... whats with the fixation of everything being in a cluster... munro has been a fine institution for years at the same location... that location has never been an issue... why is the location now an issue with the academy...

                              if its not next door to the stakeholders house, its unacceptable...
                              'to get what we've never had, we MUST do what we've never done'

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