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  • #61
    essentially you are saying that he would have run faster than he did .....

    this argument sounds a lot like karl dissing TH14 and AS17 as the most productive members of the team while overlooking the others who underperform. never fair!

    Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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    • #62
      Gamma timing is everything. I think if he held back a little on the backstretch he would have beaten the guy who edge him out. Not killing him he did his best I don't think he would employ that strategy again any time soon. Hopefully he won't need to even think about it.
      • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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      • #63
        Did he employ that strategy in 2013 when he ran past everybody except Merrit on the backstretch and won the silver, holding on at the end?

        Hindsight is 20/20. If he held back a little and then couldn't catch the guy for the bronze then we would say he took too long to make his move.

        We speak as if the only variable was Donx and all the other runners had no other options and could not have changed their race as well.
        "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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        • #64
          yeah I-man, that bothers me. man who performs the best get cuss and the mediocre ones get to join in the cussing! unfair.

          Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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          • #65
            Get use to it. Mi college coach us to cuss me and others were making even worst mistake. I eventually approach and he said "the difference is you can make a difference, you can do better, the others can't".

            I won't argue anymore on this point but I still think he should have held a little for the final 100.
            • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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            • #66
              What logic informs the position that if he had held back and conserved energy he would have run a faster time given that he has never run faster than he did in that race? For the result to have been different he would have to have ran faster than he did that morning.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Islandman View Post
                You don't think so now that the race is over and we know the result. We all don't think so now. Had Felix not made that run we wouldn't have thought she could have caught up on the 3rd leg either!

                However the race is run in the moment and on the track. We wanted gold to win the whole thing and he went for it. Again, it didn't work out but I have no problem with the idea of trying in that situation.

                The man ran the fastest split of the race, second fastest split ever run by a Jamaican. What more can one ask. We don't even know if he would have run that time with the conservative approach. These are humans reacting to emotions, not machines.
                Those who question Jevon are blind!
                ...our 2nd leg runner let us down. We needed a 44.00 change from him. If he did that we would have been in the money.

                Jevon Francis ran a hell of a leg - 43.00change split is no joke! It was fantastic!!! END OF STORY!!!
                "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."

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                • #68
                  How do you know he wouldn't have the strength to finish stronger? That is my opinion. I don't think burning yourself out with 100 metres to go is the best possible way to race. This is not about time but giving yourself a better chance.
                  • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                  • #69
                    If he finishes stronger without running faster than he ran it wouldn't have mattered. That's how time comes into play. He was behind everybody when he got the baton. Any other tactic must ensure that he would have run faster than he ran.It's physics.

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                    • #70
                      It's common sense! He ran faster than everyone else on his leg! Is like a footballer score a Hatrick from 3 chances and miss another when no one else scored and others got chances and everybody cuss him for ONLY scoring 3/4 chances and not a peep about anyone else

                      Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. Thomas Paine

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                      • #71
                        I keep asking that question.
                        THERE IS ONLY ONE ONANDI LOWE!

                        "Good things come out of the garrisons" after his daughter won the 100m Gold For Jamaica.


                        "It therefore is useless and pointless, unless it is for share malice and victimisation to arrest and charge a 92-year-old man for such a simple offence. There is nothing morally wrong with this man smoking a spliff; the only thing wrong is that it is still on the law books," said Chevannes.

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                        • #72
                          This is my opinion and it can't be proven either way unless he did. You can't say he wouldn't have done better either way. I think it was a mistake. There is no scientific fact behind it.

                          One thing we know the youth did try his best. No cussing from me, just my observation. Again Gamma hopefully he can get a strong team around him and we don't have to debate this.
                          • Don't let negative things break you, instead let it be your strength, your reason for growth. Life is for living and I won't spend my life feeling cheated and downtrodden.

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                          • #73
                            Great analogy!
                            "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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                            • #74
                              Suppose JF had the benefit of foresight and knew that the Brit would beat him to third place, BUT because of the foresight he could change history and claim third, how would he have run his leg? (remember this is hypothetical and he's not trying to win but place third). Any different?

                              BTW, I would expect that the kind of discussion that is taking place here would also take place among the coaches and runners post race so that everyone could improve. I know we have focussed on Donx in this thread, but all the runners need to look at how they ran their leg and need to think about what they could have done to improve their performance from all points of view including tactically.
                              Peter R

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                              • #75
                                My guess, and it's only a guess, is with that knowledge he would have run differently (who wouldn't if you knew that ) but would probably not have run faster.

                                He would be closing fast at the end, came up just short in catching the Brit, and would be told he ran brilliantly.
                                "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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