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"willingness to run at any spot on the team" Shelly said in an interview, that she is not a good lead off runner.
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Yes, But....
And Shelly-Ann is probably right, as can be seen in a comparison of her lead-off run with the USA’s Tianna Madison at last year’s London Olympics (I have made reference to this before).Originally posted by TDowl View Post
There is, however, a BIG difference between stating one’s shortcoming on the one hand, and on the other, displaying an outright refusal to follow the head coach’s instructions. So, while Shelly-Ann was forthcoming with her weakness during a newspaper interview, we have no indication from any source that she displayed an adverse response as to which leg on the team she should run.
I love this young lady so much!!
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sounds like they are stiil 20!!
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You are welcome, boss.Originally posted by Historian View Post
Before I go any further, I feel compelled to add that Shelly-Ann Fraser in 2008 was most likely a direct beneficiary of whatever lessons were learnt by the JAAA in 2000. We will no doubt recall the widespread calls by many to remove the then unknown Shelly and replace her with Veronica Campbell.
Have to disagree here, Historian.
Shelly-Ann won her place by performance at national championships and subsequent to those championships remained in that fine form. Totally different case from Peta-Gaye's where she won her place then her form went to hell after the national trials (championships).
I believe many persons think winning or being in the top 3 guarantees being on the team. It has never been so.
Selection also had a second bar to be crossed, attainment of acceptable level of performance and only then would there be selection to the team.
Additionally, that matter of gaining entry was always with the understanding that subsequent poor health or loss of fitness or other reason(s) could cause changes to be made as late as before the meet's deadline for changes had expired.
Even today there is responsibility on the athlete's part to work at maintaining fitness of or at an acceptable level. ...and as it was then it still is today that health issues or other reasons can have the responsible body make chances.
Additionally it has also never been taken from the athlete the athlete's right to remove self from team.
There were and there still are obligations to be fulfilled on the part of the administrators and on the part of the athlete.
So today if any athlete (even Bolt or Shelly-Ann) has health or other reasons to warrant removal from, or change of team then I am sure the authorities will act in Jamaica's interest. ...as a result the changes on the wording in 'rules and regulations' since, I am thinking, are more 'political' in nature=attempts to placate rather than to institute meaningful change.
Aside: Change could be even inclusive of moving from having entries to later having no entries."Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."Comment
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PGD was injured and tried to hide it!Comment
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That is Correct
Of course you are correct. Forumites apparently did not realize that this was what I was referring to in my first reply above in this thread:Originally posted by Willi View Post
Originally posted by Historian
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I heard that story.
...but regardless...injury or otherwise, her form had gone to hell!!!"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."Comment
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Originally posted by Willi View Post
Thank you Willi -- and every Jack and Jill knew it. After trials, PGD ran a 100m in Europe and her time must have been about 12 sec (I remarked at the time that my grandson was faster).“Life is a system of half-truths and lies, opportunistic, convenient evasion.”
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...and then? 1991 Gold @ Worlds... Cuthbert on team's
...inclusive of Ottey's, persona...
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Great camaraderie
"There was great camaraderie among us," Cuthbert recalled. "It wasn't like the foolishness that goes on now with all the personality clashes."
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20110820/sports/sports18.html
Video (Not good but the best I could locate)
Semi-finals & the final - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8iWrvI7ME0"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."Comment
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Juliet should probably have said " the foolishness that went on before and still goes on now"
I say that especially since she was an alternate on that 1980 Moscow relay squad as a 16 y.o. school girl and so would have been a witness to all that Ottey-Pusey drama.
It does appear that the 1991 team was something of an exception in that regard."It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick DouglassComment
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Uh?
Karl, I’m not sure why you tacked this comment on to MdmeX’s, as she is referring to the year 2000. Your gold medal discussion, on the other hand, is for nine years earlier (1991).
Not sure if you made an error here, boss, in terms of the placement of your post.
Originally posted by Karl View PostComment
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No error...
Remember the lead thread is about 1980 and then 2000 was introduced, I think to give weight to Merlene being a 'problem player'?
MdmeX's post points to a removal of 2000 as that not adding any weight to the claims of the disgruntled 1980 4x1 ladies.
My post on 1991, an intervening year, shows Merlene as team-player.
When that 1991 display of TEAM is stacked with provable facts on that 1980 relay run - see video of same - and provable facts on the 2000 'cass-cass' it further under-cuts claims of the 1980 4x1 ladies and those who attempt to cast a slur on Merlene's good name.
No boss, not an error...
...just a look at 1991 and asking others for examination of Merlene's personality - (through Juliet's eyes) - as she is viewed in confines of a Jamaica T&F team environment?
Remember Merlene represented us on many, many, many...teams and on those teams nary a whimper on her being disruptive or anti-TEAM save by these 4 x 1 ladies and the immature 2000 rabble."Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."Comment
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That is not true.
I am a huge Ottey fan, but insiders know she was a Diva of the highest order.
On the other hand, she also helped a lot of the ladies finacially and getting them lanes on the circuit and still many of them backbit her.
The truth is more complex than simple heroine or villainess!Comment
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Hey Pusey was once the alpha and omega of the potential of Jamaican sprinting, both male and female, that star burned super nova bright in the mid seventies.
I was a youth at bar when Pusey was tearing it up in mid 70's and she was the highest statue on the pedestal of Jamaican sprinting to come. I can see how ottey emerging as a 18yo from Vere tearing it up in Moscow in 1980 and then went from strength to strength from that point whilst Rosie, Lillieth and Pusey never fulfilled their true potential even though they were all quite good especially Lillieth.
All of that can arouse some strong emotion and clearly Merlene was not one to follow anybody else fashion, or bow to expectation of others, that salt can be tough to suck even after thirty years. Btw back in the day Rosie was very memorable and very fit, not sure if any of you remember that. All of them had their chance, maybe Merlene did not cooperate as best as possible but that possibility of not getting that one off-color medal never stop any of the others from doing better during the time they had their shot, just so!Comment
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Just to be clear -Originally posted by Willi View Post
You are saying you blame her for:
1. The 1980 missing of a medal as claimed by the 1980 ladies and that was down to her being...let me use your word...a Diva?
2. In 2000 -
a) writing self/forcing self onto the 100M entry form...
...and...
b) the 4x 100M relay...
at the expense of Peta Gaye?
3. You do not for a moment believe Juliet Cuthbert's recollection of 1991 events?
...or...
I just do not understand what you are saying and you shall set me straight?"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."Comment
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