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  • Guten Abend, Herr Willi

    The old adage, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned," is ever alive and relevant. Somebody obviously stole the fowl that Ms Shirley was saving for her Sunday dinner. There has to be a lot more to her story. Many speculate about her motivation. I would love to hear what is really goning on or what happened behind the scenes. I belive, like an iceberg, there is a huge story untold, beneath all of this, that caused her to come out like this.
    "Jah Jah see dem a come, but I & I a Conqueror!"

  • #2
    Listening to an interview with her on the radio now...will give a summary later.
    "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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    • #3
      I would appreciate that greatly.
      "Jah Jah see dem a come, but I & I a Conqueror!"

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      • #4
        Ok so here goes....I am mostly paraphrasing what she said.

        First of all she says she stands by everything she said in the article. Says her back broad and she can tek the heat because she is a loudmouth Jamaican woman who would fit in perfectly well selling in Coronation Market.

        She was asked why she chose now to put the article out there when the nation is still on a high from the WC successes and why go to the foreign press. Her response was that by doing it the way she did it, she knew it would get the attention she thinks it warrants. She said if local media released the story we would not give it any attention. Said it was the right time to do it for the same reason, it would get attention. She got paid for the story but nothing out of the ordinary.

        When asked about people questioning her motivations and whether she was just getting back at JADCO, she said people can believe what they want, the JADCO position was monkey money to what she made/can make in the financial sector and she really didn't need the headaches it gave her. People don't like her but she is used to that.

        She said Jamaica has a bigger problem with doping than we want to believe. She wouldn't be specific but said it was not just T&F either, other sports have problems too but progress has been made to resolve some of them. She says the younger ones in particular are at risk. Says Portia had all the information but she doesn't think she really took it as seriously as she should have. Hasn't spoken to her since the story broke.

        Says JADCO still has a lot of problems with being an independent body, you have people that are part of JADCO that are still involved with running track meets and deciding who to test, etc. Says JA track community is small but things like that just do not look good to the international agencies. Also said JADCO is run out of the Office of the PM which also is not a good situation.

        Says JA people and particularly the diaspora likes to hug up athletes and run them mouth but don't know much about the situation.

        Says her reading of the international T&F community is that they want to believe in the JA story but still not sure if they can believe, and without a reasonably solid and transparent anti-doping program we cannot expect that there will not be serious doubts and questions. Says the money can be found to do it and the implications of not doing it are not pretty.

        Thats about it from what I can recall.
        "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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        • #5
          Is this our version of Edward Snowden!


          BLACK LIVES MATTER

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          • #6
            Mek we see how the PM respond, if she does publicly.

            My thing is this...Anne Shirley has an agenda, fine. Most whistleblowers do, many were part of creating the situation that they went public with.

            But she is probably right that going international will cause more to be done to address some of the obvious problems JADCO has, a lot of it as Comment said is just a lack of will.

            She is neither hero nor super villan in my book. I would have liked her to handle some of it differently but, she is who she is.
            Last edited by Islandman; August 23, 2013, 06:38 AM.
            "‎It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men" - Frederick Douglass

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            • #7
              She also does not like hard work, so take it from someone who knows! LoL

              AND she loves self-promotion!

              Here is what she is NOT telling you:

              Jamaica spent US$60K (Jadco Budget) in fiscal year 2011, ie Apr 2011 to March 2012 and US$630K in FY 2012, a TEN fold increase. She came on board in June/July 2012 (left Feb 2013) and so benefited from the big budget. Ironically, testing only doubled from calendar year 2011 to 2012, so judge her efficacy from that.

              GOJ budget document here:

              http://www.mof.gov.jm/sites/default/files/eoe/2012-2013-1500-1.pdf

              SCROLL TO PAGE 21/22

              Next:

              Jakan athletes are tested OOC by 3 routes, Jadco for the locally based, IAAF for the elites AND anyone else they deem (Globally located) AND by the local anti-doping in any country where they have temporary or permanent residence (eg MVP in Lignano italy). I recall from memory, Bolt was tested 14 times in 2008, Asafa 13 and Tyson Gay 4! Remeber when Asafa was bawling for all the blood test in Beijing, ie 3 in 4 days??

              A critical FACT is being (deliberately) left out of the information that is being fed to the public. The fact is that Jakan elite athletes are tested on an Out of Competition basis by the IAAF regardless of whether or not Jadco is conducting out of competition testing.

              So the statement that "there was only one out of competition test in Jamaica between March 2012 and up to the London Olympics" is blatantly untrue. Perhaps Jadco only conducted one out of competition test in that time period, however Jamaican athletes ranked in the top 15 in the world in their respective events were tested numerous times during that period on an out of competition basis by the IAAF. That testing took place in Jamaica and outside of Jamaica.

              Here is a link outlining the NUMBER of Out of Competition tests conducted by the IAAF for 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012. http://www.iaaf.org/about-iaaf/documents/a...ting-statistics

              This link includes the names of the respective athletes who were tested.

              Is Jadco in need of a thorough revamping? Yes.

              Has the message AS DELIVERED this week implied that our Jamaican elite athletes were not drug tested at all between March 2012 and the London Olympics? Sadly yes.

              Fix Jadco without further crucifying our elite athletes.

              For emphasis here is a quote from one of numerous international reports of the matter:

              "As the accompanying chart notes, in the three months leading up to the Olympics, not one Jamaican athlete was tested out-of-competition—when dopers are more likely to be caught by surprise and fail a test."

              There seems to be some coordination in testing too, as in 2011 calendar year, the IAAF conducted OOC tests on 32 Jakan athletes, of which 14 were in the 4+ category ( notably not including BG Wikins, Asafa and VCB). In 2012, when Jadco had a 10 fold increase in budget from US$60K to $630K (which was effective for the last 9 months of that calenday year), the IAAF increased the number of athletes tested, but the 4+ category was halved to just 7 (casting a wider net but focussing on the biggest stars: VCB/ASAFA/BLAKE/BOLT/SAFP/Kerron/BGW).

              Between the 2 testing entities, they pretty much seem to have covered everyone. To know for sure, timing of the tests would be very helpful info to have.

              Finally:

              Jamaica sent 45 athletes to Moscow, of which at least 5 never competed at all, but either were injured or served as unused backop.

              If 19 were covered by the IAAF for OOC, combined with OOC tests in their European bases, then the 40 competive athletes indeed were likely all tested OOC at some point. Only 4 athletes won individual medals and 3 of them are on the IAAF list and Nesta Carter must have been tested OOC at some point in 2012/2013.

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              • #8
                Di real bombshell being ignored:

                BBC: Tyson positive test was for a banned steroid
                http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/23806237


                Considering the history of drug usage and the number of cover-ups including names like Carl Lewis, Lance Armstrong, Marion Jones among numerous others why isn't the USA being threatened with banishment from the Olympics?

                It's only fair that the country that has historically and currently used the most drugs to win medals and deceive the WADA nut-cases be treated the same way as the least country that has only tested for stimulants.

                I must be mistaken but it seems there must be two sets of rules one for Jamaica and the other for the remainder of IAAF members.

                I need some enlightenment on this from WADA.

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