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Was Bolt's relay leg finally faster than Hayes 8.6?
by thedodge » Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:23 pm

Bolt was picking them up and laying them down have to believe it's close.
Bob Hayes stated in Olympic Cowboy that his leg was timed in 8.4 manuel and 8.6 electronic i had the video.
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Re: Was Bolt's relay leg finally faster than Hayes 8.6?
by notorious » Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:45 pm

thedodge wrote:
Bolt was picking them up and laying them down have to believe it's close.
Bob Hayes stated in Olympic Cowboy that his leg was timed in 8.4 manuel and 8.6 electronic i had the video.


Are you joking or what? How dare you compare what he did in 1964 versus Bolt. Of course, Bolt's leg is faster.
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Re: Was Bolt's relay leg finally faster than Hayes 8.6?
by Marlow » Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:53 pm

notorious wrote:
How dare you compare . . .

Careful! That vein on your forehead looks like it's ready to BURST!!!
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Re: Was Bolt's relay leg finally faster than Hayes 8.6?
by thedodge » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:52 pm

notorious wrote:
thedodge wrote:
Bolt was picking them up and laying them down have to believe it's close.
Bob Hayes stated in Olympic Cowboy that his leg was timed in 8.4 manuel and 8.6 electronic i had the video.


Are you joking or what? How dare you compare what he did in 1964 versus Bolt. Of course, Bolt's leg is faster.

Really! nobody has run faster Powell's 8.7 being the closest and that was on these trampoline tracks not some dead dirt track.
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[Don1]

Bolt is obviously a faster sprinter...but it's virtually impossible to accurately compare relay legs since the actual distances run per leg is fluid

[Willi]

Bolt and Asafa have the same split. 8.70s

[Don1]

Bolt and Asafa have the same split. 8.70s

aaah...but what distance did each run? That is the big unknown

[Karl]

Yuh seit!

...and since Bob Hayes' days there has been significant improvement in type track and shoes/spikes...

...and where did Bob Hayes run that time?

[Willi]

Splits are not taken off distance run. They are taken when the baton passes 100m.

I did not see much difference in where they both got the batons....if anything Bolt took the baton later as Black sort of ran up onto him.

However, it is fair to say that Bolt lost time switching hands with the baton.

[Willi]

There is no electonic split for Hayes....just people's approximation from old video tapes.

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[Karl]

There is all the matter of who had the better running start?
One guy going full blast when he receives the baton...is not in the same position as one who for whatever reason went out slow

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FROM THE SITE http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/dis...hp?f=1&t=44348

Fastest 4x100m anchor legs

8.73 Asafa POWELL JAM WC Berlin 22 Aug 09
8.79 Usain BOLT JAM Penn Philadelphia 24 Apr 10
8.85 Carl LEWIS USA OG Barcelona 8 Aug 92
8.92 Leroy BURRELL USA WC Stuttgart 21 Aug 93
8.94 Donovan BAILEY CAN WC Athina 10 Aug 97
8.94 Richard THOMPSON TRI WC Berlin 22 Aug 09
8.95 Linford CHRISTIE GBR OG Seoul 1 Oct 88
8.98 Dennis MITCHELL USA OG Atlanta 2 Aug 96
9.00 Bryan BARNETT CAN WC Berlin 22 Aug 09
9.01 Vladimir KRYLOV URS WC Roma 6 Sep 87

* Electronic timing only (source : Omega, Official Reports and in-situ Biomechanical Analysis) *

In Daegu, i was filming the 4x1 with high speed camera (210 frames/sec) and found Bolt's anchor leg to be 8.80.
Bob Hayes' anchor leg in Tokyo'64 was timed in 9.0 by Soviet analysts as published in Legkata Atletika revue back then.

[Willi]

Irrelevant for a split.

Relevant for an argument of who can run faster on that leg, potentially.

[Willi]

Asafa's Beijing split is faster and missing from this list...

[Don1]

I know how they calculate the split times.... the problem is over the 100m distance where the split time is calculated the baton is not necessarily carried entirely by one sprinter so comparing athlete's times is really folly

Since the baton can be received anywhere in the change zone (I think 20m long?) the sprinters invariably run different distances depending on where in the zone they receive the baton and where they hand off or reach the tape...one man can run 90m and another 100m+ ....so an accurate comparison of 2 athlete's relative times (not the split time) is an apple vs orange scenario...

[Karl]

Irrelevant for a split.

Relevant for an argument of who can run faster on that leg, potentially.

...as I am not selecting the team and order of the runners - I am looking for info on possibe best performer (on the particular leg)...

..so the splits are most relevant in my likle "mmmms?" on coming to decision on potential...who gets the baton around - through the leg - faster/fastest? ...best likely maintain lead...best likely to "run down" competitor...best for TEAM...

What are hoping to gain by looking at splits?
Just asking...

[Karl]

Agreed!