How Championships guh!!

[Stonigut]

We basically gave the US three gold that we could have had.

1. 100 m women
2. 400 mh women
3. Much as this sound crazy 4*4 mens, that was there for the taking with the addition of bolt on anchor.

Thus US is now 10 gold that would have been three less at seven if all went perfect for us and in truth that is what must happen for us we have a very tight window to win these champs and a guy name Usain bolt is the foundation block of that.

US also won 1500 womens which is a one in a million win, lightning outof a bottle for that girl. Also Richardson 110 hurldes was not a true win either.

We have had no straight out good luck at this championships as yet, nothing has happened that was not supposed to happen. Well some say the 4*4 but clearly we had the team to bronze and I saw that from long time.

Anyway Russia is the absolute surprise of this meet to me now sitting at seven gold and 17 medals, I had them maxing out at six gold and they still have a few shots left.

Kenya at six with count them 14 medals.

Ja at three gold with potential for two more, with the three gold we could have gained we would be at six gold with two potential to come, possibly making it eight, that may have been enough to win, let's see what else the russians and US do coming down the final furlong.

Would ne nice if Kenia medals but the cards have been shown and it just does not seem that she has what Seemanya and the Russian girls got, let's see, she said she has something special to unleash!!!

[Willi]

All we needed was Blake to anchor the mle relay.

Recall Penn relays a few years back.

[Stonigut]

Yeah but Blake can't run 45 flat right now on a 400, Usain can and with a little work, just a little he can run 44 on a flat 4 and in a relay with a little work we talking bout 43.2.

On the girls 4*4 they need some self belief as well, they ran well but first leg Rosie seems like she left a little in the tank and shericka seemed to concede to mccrory immediately, maybe she was just thinking about making sure to beat russia and hold the silver.

[Exile]

The w800 look like a shutout....barely made the final....hope she can pb.

[Historian]

So, Bolt is now a workhorse?!

We basically gave the US three gold that we could have had.

3. Much as this sound crazy 4*4 mens, that was there for the taking with the addition of bolt on anchor.

So, Bolt is the old workhorse now (100-meter, 200-meter, 4x100-meter relay, 4x400-meter relay)?

I know he didn’t run in the 100-meter finals, but for a so-called “Sprint Factory” and with the type of junior and senior programs we have, we shouldn’t have reached the stage where it is “Bolt this and Bolt that”!

And yes, I’m aware that the USA overworks Allyson Felix, but still….

[Stonigut]

Listen, what are we talking about here, we are talking about an unusual opportunity, an opportunity where the cost is relatively insignificant compared to the payoff.

Cost
The cost a little 400 training to supplement what he is already doing just to run what??

Just to run one leg of a relay at WC and Olympics
Payoff - The elusive fourth gold medal without having to do a whole nother event

Payoff
1. Usain talks about being a legend, well the legend ahead of him is one Ms. Lewis he need to be able to fiind a fourth gold per game without compromising the other events, I think this JA 4*4 team with a little more development from Ryker and Green is poised to do exceptional things ala Ja 1952.
2. The second payoff is it puts a big dent in US ability to have a free gold at the end of every championship with their ownership of the 4*4's if we want to win then we will have to run a little more sweat. every win denied to the USthat we win the event doubles the impact on the medal standing of that event for the US vs Ja rivalry, we have a narrow tight window so we must maximize that.

Yes Usain is our once in 50 years opportunity, we must maximize that value now with the least cost to Usain and i think the 4*4 is the best vehicle to get him there.

So three in Beijing, 4 in London and possibly the same 4 years later that is 11 possible Olympic gold. Same for WC which he should break anyway, even though he has missed a criticalk one here in Daegu!

Carl has 9 Olmpic gold, and 8 WC gold, seventeen T&F majors, Usain now has 3 OG and 4 WCG, possibly 5 WCG if we do wat we supposed to do tomorrow.

This is the T&F version of the 18 majors Jack Nickalaus record that Ja needs to own!!!

[Historian]

Stonigut, with due respect....

Stonigut, you still don’t get it, boss. Unless someone is lying, Usain Bolt is not completely fit as yet, coming off injuries picked up in 2010. Nevertheless, you want him, in his present state, to run the 100, the 200, the 4x100 and the 4x400. Wow!

Carl Lewis did four events, but only three were sprint events. None of them was any leg on the very demanding 4x400-meter relay. His events, as no doubt everyone on this forum knows by now, were the 100-meter, 200-meter, 4x100-meter relay, and long jump. The long jump by its very nature gives one a welcome breather in between jumps.

Carl Lewis was on top from the 1984 Olympic Games until the 1996 Olympic Games. That’s twelve years in which to make himself into the genuine legend that he is.

Incidentally, Michael Johnson did three events.

Usain Bolt first achieved global fame as a senior in 2008 doing three of Carl Lewis’ events. It is now 2011, so that’s three years in which Bolt has already overachieved.

But no, blind nationalism has us now demanding that, in addition to those three grueling sprint events, Bolt should add a fourth track event -- the 400-meter (4x400) -- in a global championship. So, let’s see, following your wishes, Usain Bolt should run the 100-meter, the 200-meter, the 4x100-meter relay, and the 4x400-meter relay next year in London?

Bolt can be a legend without having to run all the sprint events that exist in a global athletic meet!!!!

[Exile]

Somehow though I feel Bolt and his handler's may feel Bolt is bigger than the TEAM (ala Karl) effort....granted, he is a huge franchise and should not be gambled with....I do agree that the window of opportunity is there for the taking...will depend on the schedule...

[Stonigut]

Hey you know what Historian, when people are striving to achieve at an individual level is one thing, but when they are striving for a team goal, sometimes what seems to be a massive obstacle to some is just a bump on the way to creating a new era in T&F history.

This is such a bump, this is such a time, and Mr Bolt and his quest to be a legend should rise to this challenge, we would never have known of Ghengis Kahn if he rested on the laurels of his first significant achievement unifying the Mongol tribes, in fact the achievement of that drove him to the next step using that achievement as the base to obtain greater goals and control by defeating rival kingdoms across a wide swath of Asia.

This was the same for William the Conqueror as well, not resting on laurels of being Duke of Normandy especially as the illegimate child of the former duke, he sought to invade England from Normandy, yes moving an entire army by sea, landing on the enemy's teritory and beating the hell out of them an unparalled feat in European history landing a formidable fighting force on English soil something even the incredible German machine was not able to do in WWII.

Bolt has helped created a wave of high achievement, where before Bolt we were content to medal, the man is without a doubt a phenomenal leader in his own way, the next step is to reach to another level, get out of the comfort zone a little, make the jump, sacrificing a little of the individual glory for the greater glory, the team and the country, in my mind the best way to do that at the least cost is the 4*4, would be an incredibly strategic move with high payoff and relatively low cost, as the 4*4 squad is now more that strong enough to qualify without Bolt and with the addition of Chambers next year and Ryker getting into the 44's we are possibly seeing a new era of McKenley, Wint, Rhoden type talent on the same team, well that might be overstating it but you never know, got to reach for the stars, breds.

Bolt time is at it's peak and we dont even realise it London onward we are coming down on the other side on the way to Buff Bay.

[Stonigut]

Great point Exile, but you know what the wicked thing about it, is the scarifice for team and country will pay incredible dividends in also achieving his own ends, that of being a legend of legends, that is what he should be fighting for now.

[Historian]

Give Me A Break!!

as the 4*4 squad is now more that strong enough to qualify without Bolt and with the addition of Chambers next year and Ryker getting into the 44's we are possibly seeing a new era of McKenley, Wint, Rhoden type talent on the same team, well that might be overstating it but you never know, got to reach for the stars, breds.

You are actually seeing “a new era of McKenley, Wint, Rhoden type talent”??? (By the way, try not to ignore Les Laing, although people often do. Laing was an integral part of that 1952 4x400-meter relay team, boss.)

I’ve been hearing this and that about Ricardo Chambers for years now!! When is he going to prove whatever potential he is believed by some to possess?

Give me a break, Stonigut! If you want to see the new era of Herb McKenley, Arthur Wint and company, my suggestion is that you check out the Jamaican 4x400-meter relay team at the 1996 Olympic Games, the 1997 IAAF World Championships and the 1999 Pan Am Games.

Please do not compare these present quarter milers with McKenley and Wint and Rhoden and Laing!!

[Stonigut]

All right I give you that now, but you never know, I would say that Gonzales is competing on an equal level with Wint prior to the 1948 Olympics and Gunz is younger than Wint coming up to London prior to what will be his first Olympics, Gunz is 26 and ranked in the upper tier of the 400, Herb was also 30 in 1952 and 26 in 1948 same age as Gunz as well.

Riker is 23, Chambers is 27 and Bolt is 25.

In 1952 Mck was 30, wint 32, Rhoden 26 and laing 27.

And guess what we just have a 4*4 team that competed for the gold ran two legs with a lead at some at some point and got a bronze at this WC and has a chance at Gold next year if Bolt made a run.

Ryker is still young and has lots of upside as this year proves, could evolve into Rhoden by 2018, he will be 28. Chambers is as good as Laing probably ever was and well Bolt is Mckenely, so that comparison is not too rusty, so it is not as far away as many think, but yes I agree nowhere close now but with the right work ?????