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Following a discussion on Willie's site. Julian Robinson is the shot put and discuss coach at Calabar (my almer mater). Over the past 3 years or so he has been getting some phenominal results out of the "ordinary" athletes he has been coaching. Shot put and discus are not our traditional strengths and are overlooked given our passion for the track events. However, this man needs to be recognized nationally and encouraged, because he is doing for these events what Franno did for our track events - producing world class athletes. Here is one of the posts from Willie's site:
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elmo
Is ther much of a difference?
Mon Jun 6, 2011 11:26
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Is there that much of a difference between what he is teaching and what other coaches are doing?
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Apparently there is. Not knowing too much about coaching throwers, I simply have to use the data in front of me to come to a conclusion as to why Julian is so successful.
Over the last three years, he has revolutionized throwing in the region and these are the facts that can only be explained by believing that he is certainly going about producing throwers in a much different way from other throwing coaches in the region.:
1. His selection pool is limited to C'Bar and unlike dynasties like Vere girls (70's to 90's) that produced phenomenal results, throwing athletes are not recruited. You have to make do with selecting athletes from the general school population.
2. Three years ago, shot putters in the region were considered top class if they threw 17M (U20) or 16M (U17) while discus throwers were considered top class if they threw 52M (U20) or 48M (U17).
He has now raised the bar in both events, and shot putters are now throwing 19M and 17.8M (U20 and U17 respectively) while discus throwers are now throwing 66M and 53M (U20 and U17 respectively). No other high school throwers in Jamaica has shown the type of massive improvement as is seen the C'Bar boys.
At the regional level, there is only one athlete (T&T's Quincy Wilson) who has done as well as the C'bar boys and could have been considered world class, but he seems to be the exception rather than the rule. In the case of the C'Bar throwers, Chad Wright, Ashinia Miller, Travis Smikle and now Frederick Dacres are world class throwers. The big man is consistent in producing world class throwers.
3. He now owns all the Carifta and boys champs records, and has produced a world Youth bronze medalist (Smikle) and two word junior finalists (Wright and Smikle) over the last three years.
Based on those facts, his understanding of those throwing events is obviously superior to his peers.
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You've noted that all athletes previously identified as throwing types may not be able to handle what he is teaching
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My observations tell me you are quite correct. Before his throwing revolution, "big fat boys" were the type expected to do well. This is no longer the case. His top athletes are not the behemoths one would expect to see doing the throws. Smikle, Wright and Miller were six footers with decent bodies, but Chris Brown (U17 Carifta shot put record holder) and Frederick Dacres (U17 Carifta Discus record holder)have average size. new Zealand's Jacko Gill seems to be the new prototype.Six footer with wide wingspan and "nuff" flexibility seem to be the way to go.
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what will "traditional" coaches make of his athletes and what they have been taught so far?
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This may be a major problem. Chad Wright is the first "big" thrower out of his camp to take up a scholarship in the USA and he has certainly not shown any improvement to speak of.
I am fearful that Smikle will fall in the same category. Unlike the shot putters, USA discus throwers have not been setting the world alight with their performances in recent times, and this might just be that the US college coaches are no longer up to par with the European coaches.
Now with Dacres showing that (based on results at the youth level) he will be as good as Wright and Smikle, serious decisions will have to be made or Julian's work will not bear the fruit expected at the senior level.
I may be naive, but I hope that Utech and/or UWI would offer these students full scholarships and get the big man to continue to coach his athletes.
Or
That the JAAA will recognize the diamond that is Julian Robinson (Vassell and Gale should not be ignored)and set up a Jamaican throws program that would continue to produce throwers not only at C'Bar but across the island.
yes !!!
I dare to dream.
PS
Vassell (St. Hugh's), Gale (Edwin Allen) and the throws coach at St. Jago have been also doing wonders at the female level. Edwin Allen actually won all the discus events at girls champs while the open shot put event was won by Knibb of ST. Jago. All the female champs discus and shot put records have been broken over the last two years thanks to these coaches.
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elmo
Is ther much of a difference?
Mon Jun 6, 2011 11:26
72.252.223.60
------------------
Is there that much of a difference between what he is teaching and what other coaches are doing?
------------------
Apparently there is. Not knowing too much about coaching throwers, I simply have to use the data in front of me to come to a conclusion as to why Julian is so successful.
Over the last three years, he has revolutionized throwing in the region and these are the facts that can only be explained by believing that he is certainly going about producing throwers in a much different way from other throwing coaches in the region.:
1. His selection pool is limited to C'Bar and unlike dynasties like Vere girls (70's to 90's) that produced phenomenal results, throwing athletes are not recruited. You have to make do with selecting athletes from the general school population.
2. Three years ago, shot putters in the region were considered top class if they threw 17M (U20) or 16M (U17) while discus throwers were considered top class if they threw 52M (U20) or 48M (U17).
He has now raised the bar in both events, and shot putters are now throwing 19M and 17.8M (U20 and U17 respectively) while discus throwers are now throwing 66M and 53M (U20 and U17 respectively). No other high school throwers in Jamaica has shown the type of massive improvement as is seen the C'Bar boys.
At the regional level, there is only one athlete (T&T's Quincy Wilson) who has done as well as the C'bar boys and could have been considered world class, but he seems to be the exception rather than the rule. In the case of the C'Bar throwers, Chad Wright, Ashinia Miller, Travis Smikle and now Frederick Dacres are world class throwers. The big man is consistent in producing world class throwers.
3. He now owns all the Carifta and boys champs records, and has produced a world Youth bronze medalist (Smikle) and two word junior finalists (Wright and Smikle) over the last three years.
Based on those facts, his understanding of those throwing events is obviously superior to his peers.
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You've noted that all athletes previously identified as throwing types may not be able to handle what he is teaching
----------------------------
My observations tell me you are quite correct. Before his throwing revolution, "big fat boys" were the type expected to do well. This is no longer the case. His top athletes are not the behemoths one would expect to see doing the throws. Smikle, Wright and Miller were six footers with decent bodies, but Chris Brown (U17 Carifta shot put record holder) and Frederick Dacres (U17 Carifta Discus record holder)have average size. new Zealand's Jacko Gill seems to be the new prototype.Six footer with wide wingspan and "nuff" flexibility seem to be the way to go.
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what will "traditional" coaches make of his athletes and what they have been taught so far?
-------------------------
This may be a major problem. Chad Wright is the first "big" thrower out of his camp to take up a scholarship in the USA and he has certainly not shown any improvement to speak of.
I am fearful that Smikle will fall in the same category. Unlike the shot putters, USA discus throwers have not been setting the world alight with their performances in recent times, and this might just be that the US college coaches are no longer up to par with the European coaches.
Now with Dacres showing that (based on results at the youth level) he will be as good as Wright and Smikle, serious decisions will have to be made or Julian's work will not bear the fruit expected at the senior level.
I may be naive, but I hope that Utech and/or UWI would offer these students full scholarships and get the big man to continue to coach his athletes.
Or
That the JAAA will recognize the diamond that is Julian Robinson (Vassell and Gale should not be ignored)and set up a Jamaican throws program that would continue to produce throwers not only at C'Bar but across the island.
yes !!!
I dare to dream.
PS
Vassell (St. Hugh's), Gale (Edwin Allen) and the throws coach at St. Jago have been also doing wonders at the female level. Edwin Allen actually won all the discus events at girls champs while the open shot put event was won by Knibb of ST. Jago. All the female champs discus and shot put records have been broken over the last two years thanks to these coaches.
Paul Marin -19 is one thing, 20 is a whole other matter. It gets even worse if they win the UCL. *groan*. 
05/18/2011.MU fans naah cough, but all a unuh a vomit?-Lazie 1/11/2015
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